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Training Needed?
I've an unrestricted private glider rating issused before 1994.. I believe
this measns I don't need a self launch endorsement? What training or checkrides would I need to pilot a motorgliner like the Phoenix S-LSA www.phoenixairusa.com I'm also an A&P I should be able to no my own maintenance |
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Training Needed?
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 20:45:47 +0000 (UTC), CF wrote:
I've an unrestricted private glider rating issused before 1994.. I believe this measns I don't need a self launch endorsement? What training or checkrides would I need to pilot a motorgliner like the Phoenix S-LSA www.phoenixairusa.com I'm also an A&P I should be able to no my own maintenance See this link for more info: http://www.soaringsafety.org/ssf-06/MG-certs.pdf If your rating is unrestricted it was most likely not properly issued. What about winch launch or auto tow. Do you think you can do those without training also ?? |
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Training Needed?
have a read through FAR Part 61.31. See what applies to you. If you
received a motorglider certificate from the FAA before a certain date (1997 I think) you do not need an endorsement to be legal. |
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Training Needed?
On Jun 8, 2:15*pm, R-Haggerty wrote:
If your rating is unrestricted it was most likely not properly issued. Nonsense! In 79 I passed an FAA private flight test using aerotow. I was issued private glider aerotow only. Later I passed a commercial flight test using aerotow. I was issued commercial glider aerotow only. In 1981 I passed commercial and CFI flight test using winch lauch. I was issued and still, have "Glider" with no restriction on launch type. FAA does not require me to have any further training to fly any glider launch type including self launch, since I acted as pilot of command of a self launch glider prior to the "grandfather" date. My certificate is "unrestricted" and was properly issued. Andy |
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:47:24 -0700 (PDT), Andy wrote:
On Jun 8, 2:15*pm, R-Haggerty wrote: If your rating is unrestricted it was most likely not properly issued. Nonsense! In 79 I passed an FAA private flight test using aerotow. I was issued private glider aerotow only. Later I passed a commercial flight test using aerotow. I was issued commercial glider aerotow only. In 1981 I passed commercial and CFI flight test using winch lauch. I was issued and still, have "Glider" with no restriction on launch type. FAA does not require me to have any further training to fly any glider launch type including self launch, since I acted as pilot of command of a self launch glider prior to the "grandfather" date. My certificate is "unrestricted" and was properly issued. Andy That may be fine for you since you flew a self launch prior to the Grandfather date, but the original poster did not mention that he flew self launch or any of the other launch methods prior to the "date". I have seen DPE's issue a glider cert without the "aerotow only" clause by mistake. Do you think the FAA questions the application or do they just go ahead and process it. |
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On Jun 8, 4:55*pm, R-Haggerty wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:47:24 -0700 (PDT), Andy wrote: On Jun 8, 2:15*pm, R-Haggerty wrote: If your rating is unrestricted it was most likely not properly issued. Nonsense! In 79 I passed an FAA private flight test using aerotow. I was issued private glider aerotow only. Later I passed a commercial flight test using aerotow. I was issued commercial glider aerotow only. In 1981 I passed commercial and CFI flight test using winch lauch. *I was issued and still, have "Glider" with no restriction on launch type. *FAA does not require me to have any further training to fly any glider launch type including self launch, since I acted as pilot of command of a self launch glider prior to the "grandfather" date. My certificate is "unrestricted" and was properly issued. Andy *That may be fine for you since you flew a self launch prior to the Grandfather date, but the original poster did not mention that he flew self launch or any of the other launch methods prior to the "date". *I have seen DPE's issue a glider cert without the "aerotow only" *clause by mistake. *Do you think the FAA questions the application or do they just go ahead and process it. since 1997, issuing glider certificates WITH an "aerotow only" clause would be a mistake |
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 20:45:47 +0000 (UTC), CF wrote:
I've an unrestricted private glider rating issused before 1994.. I believe this measns I don't need a self launch endorsement? What training or checkrides would I need to pilot a motorgliner like the Phoenix S-LSA www.phoenixairusa.com I'm also an A&P I should be able to no my own maintenance See also this link for opinions: http://sites.google.com/site/motorgl.../licensing-faq If you have the unrestricted glider rating than according to FAR 61.31.(j)(2) you are good to go. However an insurance company may hold a diferent opinion as to coverage. |
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On Jun 8, 4:45*pm, CF wrote:
I've an unrestricted private glider rating issused before 1994.. I believe this measns I don't need a self launch endorsement? *What training or checkrides would I need to pilot a motorgliner like the Phoenix *S-LSAwww.phoenixairusa.com*I'm also an A&P I should be able to no my own maintenance If you have not had the training that would qualify you for the self launch endorsment, you are unlikely to be qualified to fly the motorglider anyway. Take the time to get the training, you will be safer for having done so and avoid any potential insurance issues. The FAA instituted the endorsement process as a practical and relatively painless way to handle this issue. FWIW UH |
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 20:45:47 +0000 (UTC), CF wrote:
I've an unrestricted private glider rating issused before 1994.. I believe this measns I don't need a self launch endorsement? What training or checkrides would I need to pilot a motorgliner like the Phoenix S-LSA www.phoenixairusa.com I'm also an A&P I should be able to no my own maintenance If you seek proper training you could follow these guidelines http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/list/AC%2061-94/$FILE/ac61-94.pdf |
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On Jun 8, 1:45*pm, CF wrote:
I've an unrestricted private glider rating issused before 1994.. I believe this measns I don't need a self launch endorsement? *What training or checkrides would I need to pilot a motorgliner like the Phoenix *S-LSAwww.phoenixairusa.com*I'm also an A&P I should be able to no my own maintenance Please define what you mean by "unrestricted glider rating", please forgive my non knowledge of any reference to 1994 as it would apply to gliders, unless that is the date the FAA changed their certification practices. Older glider certificates were issued with "aero tow only" or "ground/ winch launch only" restrictions. Those were removed in the 90s and the certificate simply says "glider. The type of launch method authorized or approved is now an instructor endorsement under 61.31(j). You are still governed under 61.31(j) and would need a logbook endorsement from a qualified glider instructor for "self launch". |
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