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Pop-up IFR from Clearance Delivery
Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up
IFR instead of Approach? So far I have found that they ask me to call Approach when airborne, or file with FSS. Is there an operational consideration that prevents CD from giving a pop-up? |
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I'm sure we'll hear from Steve on this, but right off the top of my head I
do not think that CD is a radar position...the person filling that role has no airspace to control. Bob Gardner "Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message m... Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up IFR instead of Approach? So far I have found that they ask me to call Approach when airborne, or file with FSS. Is there an operational consideration that prevents CD from giving a pop-up? |
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Bob Gardner wrote: Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up IFR instead of Approach? No, CD has no airspace. So far I have found that they ask me to call Approach when airborne, or file with FSS. Is there an operational consideration that prevents CD from giving a pop-up? Yeah, he's not the approach controller. It would be the same as calling ground control for your takeoff clearance. |
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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message m... Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up IFR instead of Approach? So far I have found that they ask me to call Approach when airborne, or file with FSS. Is there an operational consideration that prevents CD from giving a pop-up? Sure, clearance delivery can give a pop-up IFR clearance. All he has to do is coordinate with the approach control position having responsibility for that airspace. But why would you call clearance delivery instead of approach? |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message nk.net... "Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message m... Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up IFR instead of Approach? So far I have found that they ask me to call Approach when airborne, or file with FSS. Is there an operational consideration that prevents CD from giving a pop-up? Sure, clearance delivery can give a pop-up IFR clearance. All he has to do is coordinate with the approach control position having responsibility for that airspace. But why would you call clearance delivery instead of approach? I should know better than to answer one of your "questions". But my answer is: In order to take off into IMC. At least that's what I've often done to fly currency approaches in IMC at Temple, which has CD on the field remoted from Gray Approach Control. Cheers, John Clonts Temple, Texas N7NZ |
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"John Clonts" wrote in message ... I should know better than to answer one of your "questions". But my answer is: In order to take off into IMC. If you're on the ground you're not looking for a pop-up. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "John Clonts" wrote in message ... I should know better than to answer one of your "questions". But my answer is: In order to take off into IMC. If you're on the ground you're not looking for a pop-up. As was the original poster, in the material you clipped. |
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"John Clonts" wrote in message ... As was the original poster, in the material you clipped. Better read it again. He's airborne. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "John Clonts" wrote in message ... I should know better than to answer one of your "questions". But my answer is: In order to take off into IMC. If you're on the ground you're not looking for a pop-up. Ok, I'd like to learn something from this... When you call ATC to get a clearance... ....if you're in the air and you've filed through FSS, when you call ATC, its not a pop-up. ....if you're in the air but not already filed through FSS, it's considered a "pop-up" ....if you're not in the air and not already filed through FSS, it's not considered a "pop-up"? Is there a different name you call it? I see that "pop-up" is not in the PC/G. I assume that it's also not defined in 7110. That being the case we're talking about an informal term anyway. I'm just curious (and surprised) that a call from the ramp to CD for an IFR clearance (not already on file) is NOT considered by controllers a "pop-up". Thanks, John Clonts Temple, Texas N7NZ |
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"John Clonts" wrote:
I see that "pop-up" is not in the PC/G. I assume that it's also not defined in 7110. That being the case we're talking about an informal term anyway. I'm just curious (and surprised) that a call from the ramp to CD for an IFR clearance (not already on file) is NOT considered by controllers a "pop-up". If you're wondering how there can be a ****ing contest over the definition of an informal term, you obviously havin't been hanging around these newsgroups too long :-) |
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