Wellston Crash Report Quote

In article . net,
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

There are more weather observation stations now than before FSS
consolidation. One of them is at the Eveleth-Virginia airport.

AWOS and ASOS are no substitute for human observers and balloons.
It would be an interesting study to learn how many accidents have been
caused by pilots flying into conditions reported by ASOS and AWOS.

On 2003-11-19 20:52:17 -0800, EDR said

In article . net
Steven P. McNicoll wrote

There are more weather observation stations now than before FS
consolidation. One of them is at the Eveleth-Virginia airport

AWOS and ASOS are no substitute for human observers and balloons
It would be an interesting study to learn how many accidents have bee
caused by pilots flying into conditions reported by ASOS and AWOS


Are you offering to fund all of these human observers

In article , Larry
Fransson wrote:

hey Larry, how about using CR/LF or linewraps in your posts? please.

--
Bob Noel

On 2003-11-20 04:23:29 -0800, Bob Noel said

In article , Larry
Fransson wrote

hey Larry, how about using CR/LF or linewraps in your posts? please

--
Bob Noe


Hmmm...my posts appear fine to me (in two different newsreaders, even). Which newsreader are you using? Do all of my posts have that problem, and does anyone else see them badly formatted

I'm beta testing a new newsreader, so if it has formatting problems, that would be good to know!

"Larry Fransson" wrote in message
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Hmmm...my posts appear fine to me (in two different newsreaders, even).
Which newsreader are you using? Do all of my posts have that problem, and
does anyone else see them badly formatted?

You have to define "badly formatted". Your posts appear to not wrap text
within a paragraph. Some newsreaders will go ahead and reformat such test
for display, while others just clip the text at the edge of the window.

You'll also notice that, even though my newsreader wrapped your lines for me
so that I could read the whole message, when I went to quote it, only one
quote character per paragraph is used, since they are put at the beginning
of each CR/LF terminated line.

"Normal" practice would be to break lines at some reasonable point, usually
in the neighborhood of 72 characters (to allow for quote characters while
still remaining below 80 characters). Maybe your newsreader has a setting
that allows you to specify that.

Pete

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:39:33 GMT, Larry Fransson
wrote:

On 2003-11-20 04:23:29 -0800, Bob Noel said:

In article , Larry
Fransson wrote:

hey Larry, how about using CR/LF or linewraps in your posts? please.

--
Bob Noel


Hmmm...my posts appear fine to me (in two different newsreaders, even). Which newsreader are you using? Do all of my posts have that problem, and does anyone else see them badly formatted?

I'm beta testing a new newsreader, so if it has formatting problems, that would be good to know!

I use Forte Agent and have a problem with your posts, including the
one above. They don't wrap.

Don

In article , Larry
Fransson wrote:

On 2003-11-20 04:23:29 -0800, Bob Noel
said: In article
, Larry Fransson
wrote: hey Larry, how about using CR/LF
or linewraps in your posts? please. -- Bob Noel Hmmm...my posts
appear fine to me (in two different newsreaders, even). Which newsreader
are you using? Do all of my posts have that problem, and does anyone
else see them badly formatted?I'm beta testing a new newsreader, so if it
has formatting problems, that would be good to know!


MT-Newswatcher 3.0 is the reader I use on this computer.

Interestingly enough, MT-Newswatcher for OS X, which I use at work,
provides the line wrapping that is missing. go figure.

--
Bob Noel

Larry Fransson writes:

On 2003-11-20 04:23:29 -0800, Bob Noel said:

In article , Larry
Fransson wrote:

hey Larry, how about using CR/LF or linewraps in your posts? please.

--
Bob Noel


Hmmm...my posts appear fine to me (in two different newsreaders, even). Which newsreader are you using? Do all of my posts have that problem, and does anyone else see them badly formatted?

Yes; each paragraph is one long line.

I'm beta testing a new newsreader, so if it has formatting problems, that would be good to know!

It's pretty common these days, but it does look ugly and make it
harder to read.
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"EDR" wrote in message
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AWOS and ASOS are no substitute for human observers and balloons.
It would be an interesting study to learn how many accidents have been
caused by pilots flying into conditions reported by ASOS and AWOS.


You still don't get it. AWOS isn't substituting for a human observer at
EVM. There was no human observer at EVM before the AWOS. If EVM didn't
have AWOS it would have no weather reporting at all.

In article k.net,
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

You still don't get it. AWOS isn't substituting for a human observer at
EVM. There was no human observer at EVM before the AWOS. If EVM didn't
have AWOS it would have no weather reporting at all.

No, you don't get it.
Weather observers were not just located at FSSs and airports. They were
also reported from other stations. For example, up until about five
years ago, there were a human observer reports from ECK. Is ECK an
airport? No. Is ECK a FSS? No. What is ECK? It's a VOR. You have to go
back and find a list of weather reporting stations from 20 years ago to
determine what other stations in the EVM area reported weather. Weather
reported from 100 miles or more distant from your destination is not
going to give you an accurate picture.
The guys and gals that worked in the local FSSs got to know local
conditions. They could look at an area forcast, get a big grin on their
faces and say to themselves, "Not here it isn't."
On my way back from Oshkosh this year I spoke with a briefer at Terre
Haute, and discussed local conditions between Fort Wayne and Muncie.
She had been around long enough and educated by the briefers that had
once been located in Eastern Indianna, and she knew that the weather in
how local conditions affected the area forecast. That kind of knowledge
is very rare in todays forecasting environment.
Computer graphics, ASOS and AWOS are helpful, but they do not fill in
the vast gaps of knowledge that were previously available to the
system.