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BOB wrote: GreyCloud wrote in : Pete wrote: "John Griffin" wrote "There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions" --John Kerry, April 18, 1971 That doesn't prove that he did any of those things. It was expedient for him to repeat those stories at the time, and we know that expediency far outweighs truth in his world. By the way, has anyone here seen those Band Aids with purple hearts on them? yuk yuk yuk. "I committed..." "I conducted..." "I took part in..." *I* Sounds like Kerry has an *I* problem. Sounds like "you" have a problem with Kerry. In that case, you should vote for Bush like the rest of the bootlicking lapdog neocon wingnuts. You deserve him and his adminstration's policies that have put Americans in the unfortuanate position they are in today. And what unfortunate situation is that, Bob?? Are you going to vote for someone that has a big ego problem? -- --------------------------------- The Golden Years Sux. |
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BOB (Can't spell "BOOB"?) wrote:
GreyCloud wrote in : Pete wrote: "John Griffin" wrote "There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions" --John Kerry, April 18, 1971 That doesn't prove that he did any of those things. It was expedient for him to repeat those stories at the time, and we know that expediency far outweighs truth in his world. By the way, has anyone here seen those Band Aids with purple hearts on them? yuk yuk yuk. "I committed..." "I conducted..." "I took part in..." *I* Sounds like Kerry has an *I* problem. Sounds like "you" have a problem with Kerry. In that case, you should vote for Bush like the rest of the bootlicking lapdog neocon wingnuts. You deserve him and his adminstration's policies that have put Americans in the unfortuanate position they are in today. That was hilarious! You say "You and I disagree, therefore there's something wrong with you." For your information, retardate, there's definitely something wrong with you, and I would mention that and laugh at your childishness whether or not you disagree with whatever I believe. Post some more impercipient nonsense, Boob Bob. Parrot some more of those weak insults. They're always good for a laugh. By the way, simpleton, the "unfortuanate" position is that we have to choose between George Bush and John Kerry--a billionaire's spouse and little more, who was disliked by two-thirds of Democrats just a few months ago. Suddenly, retarded fools like you think he has some "presidential qualities," because they told you to think that. |
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What's this got to do with aviation?
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"DunxC" wrote in message ... What's this got to do with aviation? Duncan Not a thing. I can read this kind of crap in other venues....I just skip over it when I find it here and keep on looking for the good stuff. (^-^))) George Z. |
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For Truth: Are They Going To Sink John Kerry?
From: GreyCloud Date: 9/7/2004 2:52 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy) wrote: directed towards Ray Felcher I still can't find the word meaning of Felcher. Consider yourself lucky, and leave it at that. I'd like to know. It may help to describe Rays behaviour. It involves orally removing semen from one's partner's anus. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ...
"david raoul derbes" wrote in message ... I've read Kerry's testimony before the Senate, and it is powerful stuff. It does not read to me as if he is blaming any soldier, but YMMV. His "testimony", which you say was so "powerful", was based upon "voodoo", which is about the best way to characterize the "Winter Soldier Investigation" nonsense. That Jane Fonda sponsored circus has been pretty thoroughly discredited as a "factual source" (the DoD investigators who looked into the claims made in that "trial" threw their hands up after finding that the "witnesses" were either not even who they claimed they were, but often had never even been in Vietnam, or those who had were not assigned to frontline combat units, etc.--see the excellent book by Burkett and Whitley, "Stolen Valor", for a more complete indictment of WSI). Here is a list of WSI witnesses. Please tell us which ones are discussed in Burkett's book: Alex Primm, 26, SP/4 (E-4), Public Information Office, 1st Logistics Command, Headquarters (September 1968 to June 1969) Allen Akers, 25, Pfc. (E-2), "E" Co., 2nd Bn., 4th Marine Reg., 3rd Marine Division (May 1965 to March 1966) Allan Crouse, 22 (E-4), 3rd Engineers Brigade, 82nd Airborne Division (January 1969 to December 1969) Barry Hopkins, 23, 3/39th, 9th Infantry Division (January 1969 to January 1970) Bill Perry, 23, Pfc. (E-3), "A" Co., 1/506, 101st Airborne Division (November 1966 to August 1968) Carl Rippberger, 23, (E-4), "K" Troop, 3rd Squad, 11th Armored Cav. Reg., attached to 9th Infantry Division (May 1967 to May 1968) Charles Leffler, 25, Pfc. (E-3), "G" Co., 2nd Bn., 26 Marine Reg., 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade, LRRP, attached to 1st and 3rd Marine Division (September 1968 to September 1969) Charles Stephens, 24, Pfc. (E-3), 1/327, 101st Airborne Division (December 1965 to February 1967) Christopher Simpson, 21, Cpl. (E-4), "E" Co., 2nd Bn., 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. (1967-1968) Christopher Soares, 20, L/Cpl. (E-3), "G" Co., 2nd Bn., 9th Marine Reg., 3rd Marine Division (February 1969 to April 1969) Curtis Wingrodski, 22, SP/4, 59th Scout Dog, 11th Brigade, Americal Division (March 1969 to October 1969) David Bishop, 21, L/Cpl., "H" Co., 2nd Bn., 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division David Chiles, 24, SP/4 (E-4), 3/4, 25th Infantry Division (January 1968 to December 1968) David Cohen, Naval Coastal, Division 11 (November 1966 to November 1967) David Stark, 25, SP/5 (E-5), 524 Military Intelligence Detachment (October 1967 to October 1968) Dennis Butts, 24, SP/4 (E-4), HHQ Co., 2/12, 25th Infantry Division and "E" Co., 4/39, 9th Infantry Division (September 1966 to September 1967) Dennis Caldwell, 24, CWO-2, "A" Trp., 3/17, Air Cav., 1st Aviation Brigade (October 1968 to October 1969) Don Pugsley, 23, SP/4, 5th Special Forces (October 1969 to December 1969) Donald Donner, 24, SP/4 (E-4), 20th Brigade, 86th Combat Engineers (August 1967 to July 1968) Don Dzagulones, 23, SP/5, 635th Military Intelligence Detachment, attached to 11th Infantry Brigade, Americal Division (January 1969 to December 1969) Douglas Craig, 22, SP/4, "D" Co., 2nd Bn., 8th Brigade, 1st Air Cav. Division (December 1968 to August 1969) Doug Wright, SP/4, 1/6, 198 LIB, Americal Division Ed Murphy, 23, Sgt. (E-5), 1/6, 198 LIB, Americal Division (October 1967 to September 1968) Ernie Sachs, 27, Captain, Medium Helicopter Squadron 362, Marine Air Group 36, 1st Marine Division (August 1966 to September 1967) Eugene Keys, 25, SP/4 (E-4), 3/4 25th Infantry Division (February 1966 to February 1967) Franklin Shepard, 23, S. Sgt. (E-6), 5/60, 9th Infantry Division (March 1968 to August 1969) Fred Bernath, 26, 1st Lt., 101st MP Co., 101st Airborne Division (December 1968 to October 1969) Fred Nienke, 21, Sgt. (E-5), "D" Co., 1st Bn., 5th Mor. Reg., 1st Marine Division (July 1967 to February 1968); 1st Prov. Rifle Co., Mag 36, 1st Marine Air Wing, 1st Marine Div. (January 1969 to August 1969) Gary Keyes, 22, SP/4, "E" Troop, 1st Cav. Reg., 11th Brigade, Americal Division (April 1969 to March 1970) Gordon Stewart, 20, Sgt. (E-5), "H" Co., 2nd Bn., 9th Marine Reg., 3rd Marine Div. (September 1968 to September 1969) Jack Bronaugh, 21, Pvt. (E-1), "E" Btry. 213, 2nd Bn., 27 Marine Reg.; H & S Bn., 7th Marine POW Compound; 1st Bn., 5th Marine Regiment; MAC-11, H & MS-11, 1st Marine Air Wing, 1st Marine Division (February 1968 to October 1969) Jack Smith, 27, S/Sgt. (E-6), HQ Battery, 12th Marine Reg., 3rd Marine Division (January 1969 to December 1969) James Duffy, 23, SP/5 (E-5), 228 Avn. Bn., 1st Air Cav. Div. (February 1967 to April 1968) Jamie Henry, 23, Sgt., 1/35 Inf., 3rd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division (August 1967 to August 1968) James Mackay, 20, Sgt. (E-5), HHQ 3rd Brigade, 9th Inf. Div. (October 1968 to August 1970) James Umenhofer, SP/4 (E-4), 2/501, 101st Airborne Division (November 1969 to October 1970) Jim Weber, 24, Sgt. (E-5), "A" Co., 1/6 and 1/46, 198 LIB, Americal Division (November 1967 to November 1968) Joe Bangert, 22, Sgt. (E-5), VMO-6, PMAG-39, 1st Marine Air Wing, 1st Marine Division (October 1968 to October 1969) Joe Galbally, 23, SP/4 (E-4), 1/6, 198 LIB, Americal Division (October 1967 to April 1968) John Beitzel, 21, Sgt. (E-5), 4/21, 11th Brigade, Americal Division (January 1969 to January 1970) John Birch, 24, Cpl. (E-4), "B" Co., 3rd Shore Party Bn., 4th Marine Reg., 3rd Marine Division (May 1965 to August 1966) John Hartner, 26, Sgt. (E-5), H & HD 3rd Brigade, H & HD 2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division (November 1969 to August 1970) John Henry, 26, SP/4, 2/60, 1/11 Artillery, 9th Infantry Division (March 1968 to February 1969) John Lytle, 24, SP/4 (E-4), "E" Co., 6/15 Arty., 1st Infantry Division (August 1967 to March 1969) John Mallory, 24, Captain, 1st Sq., 11th Arm. Cav. Reg., 1st Air Cav. Division (May 1969 to May 1970) Kenneth Campbell, 21, Cpl. (E-4), "A" Btry., 1st Bn., 11th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div., scouted for "B" Co., 1st Bn., 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division (February 1968 to March 1969) Kenneth Ruth, 26, (E-4), HHQ Co., 2/12 Air Cav. Reg., 1st Air Cav. Div. (February 1966 to February 1967) Kevin Byrne, 21, Sgt. (E-5), 42nd Scout Dog, 1st Brigade, 101st Airborne Division (November 1968 to November 1969) Kevin Delay, 20, Cpl., H & S Co., 3rd Bn., 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division (October 1969 to March 1970) Larry Brooks, 21, Pfc., 2nd Bn., 7th Marine Reg., 1st Marine Division (July 1969 to January 1970) Larry Craig, 29, SP/4, Public Information Office, 25th Infantry Division (1966 to 1967) Mark Lenix, 24, 1st Lt., 1/11th Arty. and 2/39 Infantry, 9th Infantry Division (1968 to 1969) Mike Nakayamo, 1st Bn., 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division Michael Damron, 24, Pvt. (E-1), "B" Co., 3rd Tank Bn., 3rd Marine Reg., 3rd Marine Division (September 1966 to October 1967) Michael Erard, 29, SP/5 (E-5), 3/503, 173rd Airborne Brigade (April 1969 to March 1970) Michael Farrell, 24, SP/4 (E-4), "A" Co., 2/60, 9th Infantry Division (January 1967 to January 1968) Michael Kenny, 20, 2nd Bn., 26th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division Michael Miziaszek, 22, SP/4 (E-4), 1st Brigade, 101st Airborne Division, FSSE (December 1968 to January 1970) Michael McCusker, 29, (2) Sgt. (E-5), Public Information Office, 1st Marine Division (1966 to 1967) Murphy Lloyd, 27, (2) Sgt. (E-5), "D" Co., 4th Bn., 173rd Airborne Brigade (February 1967 to February 1968) Nathan Hale, 23, SP/5, M.I. Detachment, 198 L.I.B., Americal Division (December 1967 to December 1968) Orville Carey, 1st Logistics Command Patrick Ostrenga, "D" Co., 25th Infantry Division (February to December) Paul Olimpieri, 23, Cpl. (E-4), "D" Co., 1st Bn., 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division (1967-1968) Paul Williams, 24, L/Cpl. (E-3), "A" Btry., 1st Bn., 12th Marine Regiment, 3rd Marine Division (May 1966 to May 1967) Robert Clark, 22, L/Cpl. (E-3), "H&S" Co. & "G" Co., 2nd Bn., 9th Marine Reg., 3rd Marine Division (May 1969 to May 1970) Robert S. Craig, 23, Pfc. (E-2), 2nd Bn., 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division (August 1966 to December 1967) Robert Kruch, 25, Pfc. (E-3), 3/21, 196 LIB, Americal Division Robert McConnachie, 22, Sgt. (E-5), 2/28th, 1st Infantry (October 1967 to October 1968) Robert Wiktorski, 22, SP/4 (E-4), "C" Co., 2/12 Air Cav. Reg., 1st Air Cav. Div. (May 1968 to May 1969) Ronald Palosaari, 23, SP/4, 1/6, 198 LIB, Americal Division (1967 to 1968) Ron Podlaski, 24, Sgt. (E-5), 5th Special Forces Group (April 1968 to April 1969) Ron Newton, 24, Pfc. (E-3), 3rd Brigade, HHQ Co., 704 Maintenance Bn., 4th Infantry Division (July 1966 to June 1967) Russell Kogut, 22, WO-1, 155 Assault Helicopter Co. (May 1968 to March 1969) Sam Bunge, 1st Lt., "B" Co., 3/187, 101st Airborne Division (July 1968 to June 1969) Sam Schorr, SP/4 (E-4), 86th Combat Engineers (September 1966 to September 1967) Scott Camile, 24, Sgt. (E-5), 1st Bn., 11th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division Scott Moore, 26, 1st Lt., 2/39th, 9th Infantry Division (1968 to 1969) Sean Newton, 24, L/Cpl. (E-3), 3rd Bn., 7th Marine Reg., 1st Marine Division (February 1966 to December 1966); "D" Co., 1/26, 3rd Combined Action Group, 3rd Marine Div. (August 1967 to August 1968) Steve Pitkin, 20, SP/4, "C" Co., 2/239, 9th Infantry Division (May 1969 to July 1969) Steve Noetzel, 31, SP/4, 5th Special Forces Group Augmentation (May 1963 to May 1964) Steve Rose, 26, U.S.N. Corpsmen (E-5), HQ Bn., 4th Marine Reg., 3rd Marine Division (December 1966 to December 1967) Ted Eckert, 21, Sgt. (E-5), MAG-16; Support Group-17, 1st Marine Air Wing, 1st Marine Division (July 1969 to August 1970) Thomas Heidtman, 26, Pfc. (E-3), 3rd Bn., 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division (October 1966 to November 1967) Timon Hagelin, 21, SP/4 (E-4), Graves Registration Platoon, 243 Field Serv. Co., 1st Logistics Command (August 1968 to August 1969) Vernon Shibla, 27, SP/4, Public Information Office, 25th Infantry Division (1966 to 1967) Walter Hendrickson, 22, Pfc (E-2), "F" Co., 2nd Bn., 9th Marine Regiment, 3rd Marine Division (November 1968 to April 1969) William Bezanson, 24, Pfc., 4/3, 11th Brigade, Americal Division and 123rd Aviation Bn. (1967 to 1968) William Hatton, 23, Cpl. (E-4), Engineer Mn. Plt., FLSG Bravo, 3rd Marine Div. (October 1968 to September 1969) William Rice, 21, SP/4, 3/47th and HQ, 3rd Brigade, 9th Infantry Division (January 1969 to January 1970) -- FF |
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Date: 9/9/2004 10:11 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: In article , Gactimus wrote: If the Democrats are going to dig up this dead issue it will only serve to make the Democrats look petty and desperate. Then tell us all why the Republicans keep bringing up Kerry's service record? I remind you it was the Democrats who brought up kerry's record and insist on constantly bringing it up. Of course the Republicans had to respond and when they did kerry's side started crying foul. You can't have it both ways. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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