A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Rotorcraft
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Safety of homebuild Helicopters



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old December 12th 06, 10:59 AM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
JohnO
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 120
Default Safety of homebuild Helicopters


Tom Frey wrote:
"JohnO" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi,

Can someone point me to any official accident statistics that would
demonstrate the relative accident rates of various classes of certified
and experimental helos? Specifically I would want to exclude any
accidents that were pilot error or failure of maintenance. and only
consider accidents where there was a design fault

I'm interested to know how safe the design is on the various kit helos,
in particular for Rotorway in the KISS turbine version.

It concerns me that a lot of the luminaries of the kit helicopter world
such as Schramm and Bedo have died in accidents, but I'm not sure if
the reasons were faults in the aircraft or pilot error.

Cheers,
JohnO


Do you mean something other than the NTSB records?

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp

Tom


Hi Tom,

The link seems to be broken?

  #12  
Old December 12th 06, 02:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
Tom Frey
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 16
Default Safety of homebuild Helicopters


Snip ----------



Do you mean something other than the NTSB records?

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp

Tom


Hi Tom,

The link seems to be broken?


Let's hope it's just down for modification or repair, because I can't get it
to work now either. I accessed it from their aviation page at
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/aviation.htm, and the top three search options
on that page are now yeilding the same error.



  #13  
Old December 12th 06, 07:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
JohnO
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 120
Default Safety of homebuild Helicopters


Tom Frey wrote:
Snip ----------



Do you mean something other than the NTSB records?

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp

Tom


Hi Tom,

The link seems to be broken?


Let's hope it's just down for modification or repair, because I can't get it
to work now either. I accessed it from their aviation page at
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/aviation.htm, and the top three search options
on that page are now yeilding the same error.


I guess their server crashed. The irony!

  #14  
Old December 12th 06, 09:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
JohnO
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 120
Default Safety of homebuild Helicopters


JohnO wrote:
Tom Frey wrote:
Snip ----------



Do you mean something other than the NTSB records?

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp

Tom

Hi Tom,

The link seems to be broken?


Let's hope it's just down for modification or repair, because I can't get it
to work now either. I accessed it from their aviation page at
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/aviation.htm, and the top three search options
on that page are now yeilding the same error.


I guess their server crashed. The irony!


It's back online!

  #15  
Old December 12th 06, 09:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
Tom Frey
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 16
Default Safety of homebuild Helicopters


"JohnO" wrote in message
oups.com...

JohnO wrote:
Tom Frey wrote:
Snip ----------



Do you mean something other than the NTSB records?

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp

Tom

Hi Tom,

The link seems to be broken?


Let's hope it's just down for modification or repair, because I can't
get it
to work now either. I accessed it from their aviation page at
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/aviation.htm, and the top three search
options
on that page are now yeilding the same error.


I guess their server crashed. The irony!


It's back online!


Cool! Now we can search their records for the cause of their server crash!


  #16  
Old December 12th 06, 11:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
JohnO
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 120
Default Safety of homebuild Helicopters


Tom Frey wrote:
"JohnO" wrote in message
oups.com...

JohnO wrote:
Tom Frey wrote:
Snip ----------



Do you mean something other than the NTSB records?

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp

Tom

Hi Tom,

The link seems to be broken?


Let's hope it's just down for modification or repair, because I can't
get it
to work now either. I accessed it from their aviation page at
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/aviation.htm, and the top three search
options
on that page are now yeilding the same error.

I guess their server crashed. The irony!


It's back online!


Cool! Now we can search their records for the cause of their server crash!


Dollars to donuts it was a maintenance or operator error, unless the
site is hosted on Microsoft IIS in which case I'd suspect design
failure.

  #17  
Old December 17th 06, 04:08 AM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
Stuart & Kathryn Fields
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 328
Default Safety of homebuild Helicopters

JohnO This doesn't directly address your question but does relate. We know
a guy who just finished a year of MedEvac flying in a 206L and had previous
experience flying and instructin in homebuilt helicopters. He has returned
to flying the homebuilt variety feeling that it is safer. This is one man's
experience.
Stuart Fields
Experimental Helo magazine
P. O. Box 1585
Inyokern, CA 93527
(760) 377-4478
(760) 408-9747 general and layout cell
(760) 608-1299 technical and advertising cell

www.vkss.com
www.experimentalhelo.com


"JohnO" wrote in message
ups.com...

Tom Frey wrote:
"JohnO" wrote in message
oups.com...

JohnO wrote:
Tom Frey wrote:
Snip ----------



Do you mean something other than the NTSB records?

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp

Tom

Hi Tom,

The link seems to be broken?


Let's hope it's just down for modification or repair, because I

can't
get it
to work now either. I accessed it from their aviation page at
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/aviation.htm, and the top three search
options
on that page are now yeilding the same error.

I guess their server crashed. The irony!

It's back online!


Cool! Now we can search their records for the cause of their server

crash!

Dollars to donuts it was a maintenance or operator error, unless the
site is hosted on Microsoft IIS in which case I'd suspect design
failure.



  #18  
Old December 18th 06, 12:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
JohnO
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 120
Default Safety of homebuild Helicopters


Stuart & Kathryn Fields wrote:
JohnO This doesn't directly address your question but does relate. We know
a guy who just finished a year of MedEvac flying in a 206L and had previous
experience flying and instructin in homebuilt helicopters. He has returned
to flying the homebuilt variety feeling that it is safer. This is one man's
experience.


Why did he feel it was safer? Was it because he did his own maintenance?

  #19  
Old December 18th 06, 04:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
Stuart & Kathryn Fields
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 328
Default Safety of homebuild Helicopters

JohnO: I think it was an exposure kind of thing. When he took a look at
engine reliabilty in turbines compared to his experience with experimental
piston engines and coupled that with being able to pick your weather days
flying experimentals vs take-it-as it comes as well as night flights over
really nasty terrain and having a strong need to get there because of life
saving situations; the flying would, I think, get a lot more hazardous than
just flying an experimental helo. Hell, I really didn't like the night
cross country I had to do for my helo add-on and that was good weather over
the LA basin. Great horizon reference available. I can't imagine flying at
night, into unknown weather, over whatever with trees, power lines etc. I
would hear every bearing in the engine and transmission just hollering.

--
Stuart Fields
Experimental Helo magazine
P. O. Box 1585
Inyokern, CA 93527
(760) 377-4478
(760) 408-9747 general and layout cell
(760) 608-1299 technical and advertising cell

www.vkss.com
www.experimentalhelo.com


"JohnO" wrote in message
oups.com...

Stuart & Kathryn Fields wrote:
JohnO This doesn't directly address your question but does relate. We

know
a guy who just finished a year of MedEvac flying in a 206L and had

previous
experience flying and instructin in homebuilt helicopters. He has

returned
to flying the homebuilt variety feeling that it is safer. This is one

man's
experience.


Why did he feel it was safer? Was it because he did his own maintenance?



  #20  
Old December 18th 06, 08:57 AM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft
boB[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 22
Default Safety of homebuild Helicopters

Stuart & Kathryn Fields wrote:
JohnO: I think it was an exposure kind of thing. When he took a look at
engine reliabilty in turbines compared to his experience with experimental
piston engines and coupled that with being able to pick your weather days
flying experimentals vs take-it-as it comes as well as night flights over
really nasty terrain and having a strong need to get there because of life
saving situations; the flying would, I think, get a lot more hazardous than
just flying an experimental helo. Hell, I really didn't like the night
cross country I had to do for my helo add-on and that was good weather over
the LA basin. Great horizon reference available. I can't imagine flying at
night, into unknown weather, over whatever with trees, power lines etc. I
would hear every bearing in the engine and transmission just hollering.



I can imagine the urgency of a medivac that's bad enough to require a
helicopter and with all the things you stated above would strain even
the best pilot. One mistake, well, there's no room for 1 mistake.
Unless he was flying with NVG's I would say he's as brave as they come.

--

boB
copter.six
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Air Force One Had to Intercept Some Inadvertent Flyers / How? Rick Umali Piloting 29 February 15th 06 05:40 AM
I want to build the most EVIL plane EVER !!! Eliot Coweye Home Built 237 February 13th 06 04:55 AM
Most reliable homebuilt helicopter? tom pettit Home Built 35 September 29th 05 02:24 PM
Mini-500 Accident Analysis Dennis Fetters Rotorcraft 16 September 3rd 05 11:35 AM
Parachute fails to save SR-22 Capt.Doug Piloting 72 February 10th 05 06:14 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:46 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.