ILS critical area when the tower is closed?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gerald Sylvester" wrote in message
. com...

You see the reasons it is required to do
autolandings in good weather (not to land the plane but for currency)
and you still can't admit you are wrong.



I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, but I certainly am not going to
say I'm wrong when I'm right.


Gerald apparently is new to your "unique" style.

I know I am going to regret this: your share your knowledge better than
you used to, you're often less obtuse than you used to be, and of course
you generally (but not always) know what you're talking about.

Newps wrote:



wrote:


I didn't infer that he meant the full procedure. But, perhaps he did.
Newps?


No of course not. Only an idiot would infer that. If there is an
operating ILS to the runway they are landing on they must use them for
that time they are on final. They can still turn final where ever they
want, although as I said before they will almost always turn at the
marker if you let them.

As always, you have the "fleck" without having to prove something.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
k.net:


Well, if it's only a problem when an aircraft is on the ILS and it's
below 800/2, and given that ATC isn't going to release an IFR
departure if an aircraft is on the ILS, then it doesn't appear to be a
problem.


I am familiar with at least one airport that has a Runup area and Hold
Short line inside the ILS critical area. As such, it would seem that the
above statement is inaccurate, as a plane that has not been released could
mistakenly travel past the ILS hold line and create a disruption for an
landing plane.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in news:vpcgf.3552
:


"Jose" wrote in message
. ..

Sure it is. The fuel vendor is a machine. It doesn't sleep, and never
leaves the airport.


The fuel vendor is typically a person.

1) Self-Serve fuel. Many airports have it. They even take credit cards.

2) Many maintenance facilities open before towers, to prep planes before
they take off. At HPN, tower opens at 6am EST. However, every FBO on the
field with which I am familiar opens at 5amEST or earlier. Two of them even
offer 24 hour service.

"Judah" wrote in message
. ..

I am familiar with at least one airport that has a Runup area and Hold
Short line inside the ILS critical area. As such, it would seem that the
above statement is inaccurate, as a plane that has not been released could
mistakenly travel past the ILS hold line and create a disruption for an
landing plane.


Yes, it could. It could also mistakenly travel past the runway holding
position line and create an obstacle for a landing plane. But both of these
mistakes could happen at a field with an operating control tower, so they
seem to be a bit outside this discussion.

"Judah" wrote in message
. ..

1) Self-Serve fuel. Many airports have it. They even take credit cards.


Yes, but most airports do not have self-serve fuel. At most airports with
fuel service the fuel vendor is a person.

It could also mistakenly travel past the runway holding
position line and create an obstacle for a landing plane. But both of these
mistakes could happen at a field with an operating control tower, so they
seem to be a bit outside this discussion.

Should those mistakes happen at an airport with an operating control
tower, the tower controller would catch the error and "nudge the
airplane back where it belongs". This cannot happen at an airport
without an operating control tower, making this right smack inside this
discussion.

Jose
--
He who laughs, lasts.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Jose" wrote in message
...

Should those mistakes happen at an airport with an operating control
tower, the tower controller would catch the error and "nudge the airplane
back where it belongs".

Only if he can see the airplane. That's frequently not possible in reduced
visibility situations, such as those that would necessitate an ILS approach
in the first place.

With weather below 800/2, the only people in the vicinity of the
ILS critical area would be IFR departures, right?

I can fly all day in 800/2 in my Champ.
All I need is 1 sm and clear of clouds.
At 70 mph, it takes a while to get anywhere.

"john smith" wrote in message
...

I can fly all day in 800/2 in my Champ.
All I need is 1 sm and clear of clouds.
At 70 mph, it takes a while to get anywhere.


Perhaps all night, but probably not all day. The operating hours of
part-time towers tend to be the daytime hours, so the hours that you can fly
with only one mile visibility while remaining clear of clouds tend to be
just the nighttime hours. Your Champ' will be limited to operating in an
airport traffic pattern within 1/2 mile of the runway, assuming it has the
required lighting.