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Hi Group,
I am currently attending a flying school Part 61. Since I've been playing Flight Sim for about 15 years, on my first lesson I was able to land the airplane right away. Thanks to Microsoft Flight Simulator. I believed that I am a step or two step ahead compared to other student that never realy see a cockpit or play a simulator before. Is there any body can help me to set up a better program for me. I give my self a target that in 45 hours I will get my PPL, It sounds funy but flight simulator really helps me on practice and understanding how the system works. In this school I have to spent at least 30 hour dual flight until they release me a solo, and learn about the radio communications and trafic pattern on the very last section. Is this a good program or jsut trying to get as much as hour from me. I heart a rumors that the Instructor also wants you fly as much as possible so they will earn the hours while I am paying it. Please I need your Input. My Budget only $3,000. This is something that I always wanted to do, but since I jsut have a baby I have to shrink the budget. Thank you for your help |
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oscarm wrote:
Hi Group, I am currently attending a flying school Part 61. ... In this school I have to spent at least 30 hour dual flight until they release me a solo, and learn about the radio communications and trafic pattern on the very last section. ... Thank you for your help Sounds very suspect to me. Shop around before you commit to flying in their program. |
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Solo at a controlled airport as base and using nearby
uncontrolled airports for practice and first solo can be done in 12-15 hours and includes using the radio from the first flight. By the time you are at 30 hours you could have some solo cross country. Sounds to me lie that school is padding the dual early. If you are in certain areas, LA Basin, NYC metro, it might take longer. Flight sim "games" can teach you good and bad habits. If you practice in the sim what you're doing in your lesson plan, it can be useful. If you are just playing around, you'll probably develop bad habits and have tom spend time to unlearn those habits. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P "oscarm" wrote in message oups.com... | Hi Group, | | I am currently attending a flying school Part 61. Since I've been | playing Flight Sim for about 15 years, on my first lesson I was able to | land the airplane right away. Thanks to Microsoft Flight Simulator. | I believed that I am a step or two step ahead compared to other student | that never realy see a cockpit or play a simulator before. Is there any | body can help me to set up a better program for me. I give my self a | target that in 45 hours I will get my PPL, It sounds funy but flight | simulator really helps me on practice and understanding how the system | works. | In this school I have to spent at least 30 hour dual flight until they | release me a solo, and learn about the radio communications and trafic | pattern on the very last section. Is this a good program or jsut trying | to get as much as hour from me. I heart a rumors that the Instructor | also wants you fly as much as possible so they will earn the hours | while I am paying it. | Please I need your Input. My Budget only $3,000. This is something that | I always wanted to do, but since I jsut have a baby I have to shrink | the budget. | | Thank you for your help | |
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On 2006-08-21, oscarm wrote:
target that in 45 hours I will get my PPL, In this school I have to spent at least 30 hour dual flight until they release me a solo, From what I've seen, the amount of time to solo varies quite a bit, but most people finish about 30 hours after they solo. If you've flown 30 hours already, I doubt that you can finish in 45 hours total. Also, if you were able to land on your first lesson, with the right instructor you should have been able to solo sooner. The good news is, no one is shooting for the lowest total time except primary students. If you had no money to fly after getting your license, you don't really lose much by flying a few more of the hours with an instructor. In fact, if you do plan to stop flying after you get your PPL, you should work on getting signed off for your solo cross countries and fly those before you quit. I rank those right up with first solo and getting my PPL. -- Ben Jackson AD7GD http://www.ben.com/ |
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"oscarm" writes: I am currently attending a flying school Part 61. [...] In this school I have to spent at least 30 hour dual flight until they release me a solo [...] Others have commented on the suspiciousness of this requirement. Please I need your Input. My Budget only $3,000. This is something that I always wanted to do, but since I jsut have a baby I have to shrink the budget. In your circumstances, perhaps it may be appropriate to defer your own proper training, and befriend another local pilot. You could still experience flight, learn a bit, but not undertake the full financial & corporal risks involved. - FChE |
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"oscarm" wrote in message
oups.com... I give my self a target that in 45 hours I will get my PPL, It sounds funy but flight simulator really helps me on practice and understanding how the system works. PC-based flight sims can be a very useful tool. I found them particularly useful when I was doing my IMC rating (a UK-specific cut-down alternative to the instrument rating) because it helps you get used to setting beacon frequencies, identifying stations, setting up approaches, flying the ILS or ADF indicators, and so on. Do remember, though, that the PC simulator can let you get away with some pretty horrific manoeuvres that when tried in real life could well get you (a) arrested or (b) killed! In this school I have to spent at least 30 hour dual flight until they release me a solo, and learn about the radio communications and trafic pattern on the very last section. Blimey. You should smell a rat. Over here in the UK, you can get a National PPL with just over 30 hours total time! I went solo after 13 hours, and the majority of students I know have done so before 20 hours. If they're not letting you solo until 30 hours, there's something weird going on. Also, you should be doing at least a part of the radio communications within 5-10 hours. The way my instructor did it was to give me a few lessons to figure out how this flying concept works, then to get me to do more and more radio as time went by. So initially it might be asking for taxi, take-off and landing clearances, then handovers from one controller to another, then something else, and so on and so on, eventually doing practice emergency calls and training fixes (where you actually talk on the emergency frequencies and simulate an emergency). Is this a good program or jsut trying to get as much as hour from me. I heart a rumors that the Instructor also wants you fly as much as possible so they will earn the hours while I am paying it. Depends on the type of instructor you have. In order to get airline transport licences, a pilot has to have a certain number of hours as pilot-in-command of an aircraft; one way of getting these hours is to spend them sitting beside a student, because the student's paying for the rent of the aircraft. This doesn't automatically mean that the instructor is bad - I've been with three hours-building instructors of this type who were all excellent - but in some cases the instructor doesn't give a stuff and is just using the role to build his or her hours (and a friend of mine has suffered at the hands of one of those). Please I need your Input. My Budget only $3,000. This is something that I always wanted to do, but since I jsut have a baby I have to shrink the budget. You'll be doing well to fit it into $3,000 with any school, but the school you're describing sounds like it'll be way more expensive. David C |
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"oscarm" wrote in message oups.com... Hi Group, I am currently attending a flying school Part 61. Since I've been playing Flight Sim for about 15 years, on my first lesson I was able to land the airplane right away. Thanks to Microsoft Flight Simulator. I believed that I am a step or two step ahead compared to other student that never realy see a cockpit or play a simulator before. Is there any body can help me to set up a better program for me. I give my self a target that in 45 hours I will get my PPL, It sounds funy but flight simulator really helps me on practice and understanding how the system works. In this school I have to spent at least 30 hour dual flight until they release me a solo, and learn about the radio communications and trafic pattern on the very last section. Is this a good program or jsut trying to get as much as hour from me. I heart a rumors that the Instructor also wants you fly as much as possible so they will earn the hours while I am paying it. Please I need your Input. My Budget only $3,000. This is something that I always wanted to do, but since I jsut have a baby I have to shrink the budget. Thank you for your help Get out of that school and go find a CFI at your local FBO/flight school. You'll save thousands over that school and the CFI will teach you at your own pace (which sounds like it'll be pretty fast) |
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HI David,
Thanks for your input. Basically i am just aiming for PPL and not an Airlines pilot. Yes that is true I did some research and $3,000 is firt with a student that committet and learn as hard as possible. I probably will ask the instructore to combine some lesson into one sessions, for example 1 hour Steep turn introduction, 1 hour slow flight introduction, 1 hour stall introduction is add up to 3 hours, I perhaps wants to do it all of them in 1.5 hours. Yes it is true that SIM helps a lot on flight plannig, and instrument rating. Thank you for your input. Of course i just flown my first hour last week, on the next two lesson, i'll ask him to teach me the radio comm. Thank you David Cartwright wrote: "oscarm" wrote in message oups.com... I give my self a target that in 45 hours I will get my PPL, It sounds funy but flight simulator really helps me on practice and understanding how the system works. PC-based flight sims can be a very useful tool. I found them particularly useful when I was doing my IMC rating (a UK-specific cut-down alternative to the instrument rating) because it helps you get used to setting beacon frequencies, identifying stations, setting up approaches, flying the ILS or ADF indicators, and so on. Do remember, though, that the PC simulator can let you get away with some pretty horrific manoeuvres that when tried in real life could well get you (a) arrested or (b) killed! In this school I have to spent at least 30 hour dual flight until they release me a solo, and learn about the radio communications and trafic pattern on the very last section. Blimey. You should smell a rat. Over here in the UK, you can get a National PPL with just over 30 hours total time! I went solo after 13 hours, and the majority of students I know have done so before 20 hours. If they're not letting you solo until 30 hours, there's something weird going on. Also, you should be doing at least a part of the radio communications within 5-10 hours. The way my instructor did it was to give me a few lessons to figure out how this flying concept works, then to get me to do more and more radio as time went by. So initially it might be asking for taxi, take-off and landing clearances, then handovers from one controller to another, then something else, and so on and so on, eventually doing practice emergency calls and training fixes (where you actually talk on the emergency frequencies and simulate an emergency). Is this a good program or jsut trying to get as much as hour from me. I heart a rumors that the Instructor also wants you fly as much as possible so they will earn the hours while I am paying it. Depends on the type of instructor you have. In order to get airline transport licences, a pilot has to have a certain number of hours as pilot-in-command of an aircraft; one way of getting these hours is to spend them sitting beside a student, because the student's paying for the rent of the aircraft. This doesn't automatically mean that the instructor is bad - I've been with three hours-building instructors of this type who were all excellent - but in some cases the instructor doesn't give a stuff and is just using the role to build his or her hours (and a friend of mine has suffered at the hands of one of those). Please I need your Input. My Budget only $3,000. This is something that I always wanted to do, but since I jsut have a baby I have to shrink the budget. You'll be doing well to fit it into $3,000 with any school, but the school you're describing sounds like it'll be way more expensive. David C |
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Hi Ben, thatnsk for your respond.
I just flown my first hour last week. And still more to come. If I follow the schedule on their program, it will take 25 meeting until it gets to pre solo one and pre solo two. I'll have another lesson this comming weekend and see if he use all of the 2 hours time just to introdue Steep turn. my target is maximum 13-15 hours dual and the rest are solo. Is this sounds reasonable? Ben Jackson wrote: On 2006-08-21, oscarm wrote: target that in 45 hours I will get my PPL, In this school I have to spent at least 30 hour dual flight until they release me a solo, From what I've seen, the amount of time to solo varies quite a bit, but most people finish about 30 hours after they solo. If you've flown 30 hours already, I doubt that you can finish in 45 hours total. Also, if you were able to land on your first lesson, with the right instructor you should have been able to solo sooner. The good news is, no one is shooting for the lowest total time except primary students. If you had no money to fly after getting your license, you don't really lose much by flying a few more of the hours with an instructor. In fact, if you do plan to stop flying after you get your PPL, you should work on getting signed off for your solo cross countries and fly those before you quit. I rank those right up with first solo and getting my PPL. -- Ben Jackson AD7GD http://www.ben.com/ |
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oscarm wrote
my target is maximum 13-15 hours dual and the rest are solo. Is this sounds reasonable? You still haven't told us where you are located, and we certainly can't answer your questions without knowing what regulations you will be studying under. It doesn't sound as if English is your native language? Bob Moore |
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