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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
Ponce wrote:
Tiger wrote: Jack Linthicum wrote: On Feb 5, 9:25 am, " wrote: reads just like the discounted first few. I would like to see a nice unclassified test and evaluation report, even a document number, that tells me this has elements of the truth in it and is not some Henderson Hall flack making up war stories. You know being a playa hater is not cool? The Anti Osprey crowd seems to wish for any snipet of bad news. How about giving the Thunder Chickens some credit? They have taken it to war and are getting the job done. Any lack of firing on them again is a sign of good things. Like perhaps the surge is really calming things over there. Exploding retarded ladies excepted of course.... If you are flying toilet paper and VIPs from protected base to protected base you can make all kinds of claims about "taking it to war" and "getting the job done". But the claims are crap since toilet paper and VIP transport were not the rationale for this extremely expensive truck Vince do you need another block of instruction on logistics? redc1c4, you trotting out the same old lie doesn't make it any mre so. HTH! %-) -- "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear considerable watching." Army Officer's Guide |
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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
On Feb 6, 7:52 pm, "Dean A. Markley" wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote: On Feb 6, 3:50 pm, Kerryn Offord wrote: Tiger wrote: Vince wrote: SNIP If you are flying toilet paper and VIPs from protected base to protected base you can make all kinds of claims about "taking it to war" and "getting the job done". But the claims are crap since toilet paper and VIP transport were not the rationale for this extremely expensive truck Vince Well what would you call a Ch-46 or Ch-47? Neither are expected to be "AIRWOLF" or "Blue Thunder." Yes, it's truck. A pricey truck. But a better truck in the long run. It's not a better "truck" for the job of delivering toilet paper (VIPs might enjoy the faster ride etc) which is all it seems to be doing currently. It's payload per trip is less than that of other similar sized/ powered helicopters.. And really, to deliver stores, speed isn't overly important. And for range.. If the only way to get supplies to a base is via the V-22.. They're in trouble... As for CH-47s and CH-46s.. Sure they aren't expected to be "AIRWOLF" or "BLUE THUNDER".. But there have been real reported cases of them being involved in hot landings and evacuations... We await what happens "when" the V-22 is used in similar circumstances... You know one of those last remaining al Qaeda in Anbar types is stoking up the game to get just one V-22. Wow Jack, did you not get laid recently or what? People here have presented some pretty good evidence that the V-22 is working and that it has been tested thoroughly. But you just keep sniping away! Your last statement there is uncalled for. It really sounds like you are rooting for terrorists to kill American soldiers. Dean I presume then that if Richard Clarke had gotten Condi Rice and John Ashcroft to pay attention to the threat that became 911 you would have decided he was just "rooting for terrorists to kill American(s)". It's called "early warning" as in "wake up, stupid, we are flying large targets into an area filled with people who don't like us:". |
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On Feb 7, 12:03 am, BlackBeard wrote:
On Feb 6, 1:19 pm, Jack Linthicum wrote: You know one of those last remaining al Qaeda in Anbar types is stoking up the game to get just one V-22. That is probably true. They will target everything from Humvees, C-130's, and the Osprey. What is the point in that statement? They will target anything to hurt us. The sad thing is that some of the most outspoken critics of the Osprey, some of our own citizens and members of this group, seem to be hoping for it only to bolster their argument against it. As I said before, every platform out there has weaknesses, there is nothing, repeat nothing in our arsenal that can't be killed. Men will die in the Osprey, it is going to happen. Who in this group is going to find that to be a good event and use it to say "I told you so?" I can think of a couple that will. And they disgust me. BB I guess everybody has some mountain to climb. It's just fate whether you live in Kansas or Tibet... David Markley decided that my offering an "early warning" to those who post in this group was some form of "rooting for American soldiers to die". Far from it, the more the V-22 flies milk runs, the sooner some bright type will work out a means of hitting it in the air or on the ground. |
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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
Tiger wrote:
Vince wrote: Dean A. Markley wrote: Wow Jack, did you not get laid recently or what? People here have presented some pretty good evidence that the V-22 is working and that it has been tested thoroughly. But you just keep sniping away! Your last statement there is uncalled for. It really sounds like you are rooting for terrorists to kill American soldiers. Dean it's at most "flying without crashing" two hours a day on safe missions delivering toilet paper and VIPs from one base to another and its 3 times the cost of the competition Vince You know when Sikorsky invented the helicopter, people said the same about it vs fixed wing aircraft. A C130 can do the same job, carry more stuff & farther than your 30 yr old rotor craft. Only problem is a runway. Competition? What competition? The Ch 46 And 47 will never go any faster, fly any higher or further or be any more safe in a LZ. And a camel won't do very well either why do you pick the 46 47 comparison?. The V-22 is an incredibly more expensive aircraft using twice the weight and power to deliver the same or less cargo The V-22 can't auto rotate and has almost twice the down wash. So forget the More safe in a LZ crap Vince |
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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
Tiger wrote:
Vince wrote: Next will be the post office needing Ferrari mail trucks to move the mail faster Vince It might help. My mail delivery is rather slow actually. A Mail truck with a V-12 And paddle shifters would be kinda cool. :-) 2-3 million a pop and you've got it I can sense the marine corps brass salivating right now Vince |
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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
Colin Campbell wrote:
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:14:39 -0500, Vince wrote: If you are flying toilet paper and VIPs from protected base to protected base you can make all kinds of claims about "taking it to war" and "getting the job done". But the claims are crap since toilet paper and VIP transport were not the rationale for this extremely expensive truck Just as your claims of 'flying toilet paper' are crap. 1) provide list of missions and cargo in an attack environment Explain to us why we should listen to you instead of the people who actually use the aircraft? 2) because they are afraid to provide the above You know so little about the subject that myself and red spent days ridiculing you - and you never even caught on! horse**** They are moving toilet paper and VIPS from one safe paved based to another Feel free to provide any cites for your nonsense Vince |
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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
Colin Campbell wrote:
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:42:58 -0500, Tiger wrote: Well what would you call a Ch-46 or Ch-47? Neither are expected to be "AIRWOLF" or "Blue Thunder." Yes, it's truck. A pricey truck. But a better truck in the long run. Vince does not care about facts. He decided that the aircraft cannot fly and no real world evidence can convince him otherwise. It flies, that's about it. it uses 12000 hp to lift a massive empty weight aircraft. its a turkey and all the crap that a 12,000 hp aircraft should be classified as medium lift aircraft cant cover up the crap This turkey is the same weight and HP as a Ch-53 with a small fraction of the payload Vince |
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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
Colin Campbell wrote:
On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:50:24 +1300, Kerryn Offord wrote: It's not a better "truck" for the job of delivering toilet paper (VIPs might enjoy the faster ride etc) which is all it seems to be doing currently. Vince has been making the claim that the V-22 has been delivering toilet paper. All this demonstrates is that the: 1) Has no clue about military logistics (and thus is totally unqualified to comment on what type of aircraft is best for the mission). 2) Has no clue about air operations in Iraq. You see - Vince sits in a university (where the students have to pretend to believe what he says in order to get a good grade) and as a result feels that 'real world' information is irrelevant. Of course Vince has a habit of pontificating on subjects he knows nothing about. When I was in Iraq he tried to lecture me on enemy car-bomb tactics when everything he knew about the subject came from having lunch with an Irish policeman once. Then he tried to lecture myself and red about Cavalry doctrine (both myself and red served in the same Cavalry squadron about 10 years ago). Vince is little more than a source of amusement. and all you have is personal attacks sticks and stones feel free to provide real cites and sources how many combat attack missions where they take off and land un upaved areas near enemy forces ? otherwise it's toilet paper and VIPs no matter how much crap you throw Vince |
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redc1c4 wrote:
Ponce wrote: Tiger wrote: Jack Linthicum wrote: On Feb 5, 9:25 am, " wrote: reads just like the discounted first few. I would like to see a nice unclassified test and evaluation report, even a document number, that tells me this has elements of the truth in it and is not some Henderson Hall flack making up war stories. You know being a playa hater is not cool? The Anti Osprey crowd seems to wish for any snipet of bad news. How about giving the Thunder Chickens some credit? They have taken it to war and are getting the job done. Any lack of firing on them again is a sign of good things. Like perhaps the surge is really calming things over there. Exploding retarded ladies excepted of course.... If you are flying toilet paper and VIPs from protected base to protected base you can make all kinds of claims about "taking it to war" and "getting the job done". But the claims are crap since toilet paper and VIP transport were not the rationale for this extremely expensive truck Vince do you need another block of instruction on logistics? I got irelevant bull**** claims Logistics has been a subject of military study since Marius. I've studied French German and US systems evolved since the 1860s. you presented bull**** with a smear of terminology laid on it feel free to provide cites, not crap Vince |
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"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"
On Feb 7, 8:40*am, Vince wrote:
This turkey is the same weight and HP as a Ch-53 with a small fraction of the payload Plus a hell of a lot more speed and range. Which, IIRC, is the entire point behind the tiltrotor, that it can go faster and further than conventional helos. They're not in helicopter mode until and unless they're touching down somewhere. Even if it's just being used as a transport, it's still getting from point A to point B faster. And I've read at least one report that Ospreys have been sent out with Marines on insurgent hunts. |
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