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vincent p. norris writes: ..... as opposed to the A for amphibian variant. I had never heard that. I thought the "A" merely meant the first mod of the "5" model. Do you mean, literally, the A stood for "amphibian"? Well, since it's the Navy, and they couldn'b be like abyone else, it's one of those "That Depends" things again. For example, the Amphibian models of the PBY and PBM flying boats were the PBY-5A and the PBM-5A. But the F4U-1 Corsair with the bulged canopy was an F4U-1A. (And the version with 4 cannons was an F4U-1D). An uprated engine was usually signified by an 'F' tacked on, but not always. Fighter Bombers got a 'B' for a suffix. Radar carrying airplanes gor an 'E'. Night Fighters/Bombers got an 'N'. ASW airplanes got an 'S'. Elint airplanes got a 'Q'. But it wasn't always consistant. An F6F-5E was a Night Fighter, and an PBM-3E was an ASW Patrol Bomber. -- Pete Stickney A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. -- Daniel Webster |
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I have a paperback book called "Battle of Britain" the making of a
film. It's by Leonard Mosley and is about all the tricks they used to make the movie Battle of Britain. It's one of the most interesting I have. Van Gardner Stephen Harding wrote in message ... Cub Driver wrote: Great movie, by the way--Empire of the Sun, I mean. But did you notice that the entire tail section of the "Zero" turned? Probably it was an AT-6 with a pointy tail cone pasted on. This makes me wonder just what sort of "modifications" are typically done by Hollywood to create actual flying aircraft no longer in existence, or just not available to fly. Obviously, the main "trick" is simply paint the aircraft in the correct national markings. Thus a P-51 becomes an Me 109, an AT-6 a Zero (seems the most common role for a Texan in a movie). Some F-86s can become "Migs", and I vaguely recall a C-47 becoming a G4M Betty at one time. JN-4 "Jennies" served as German and British/US fighters in the WWI movies of the 20's and 30's. Just a splash of paint and a roundel made it a Sopwith Camel, or a black cross and it was a "Fokker". I believe in "Memphis Belle" a B-17G was converted to an F by actual removal of the nose turret. Addition of a tail cone to make an AT-6 into a Zero seems more than necessary, but some directors are detail focused. Then of course there are "faux warbird" props. Even during WWII when the real thing might have been available, you often see some dummied up aircraft. I think John Wayne in "Flying Tigers" had some plywood P-40s with propellers that would lazily spin trying to imitate a squadron cranking up for an intercept. I think the BoB TV movie "Piece of Cake" used some dummied up Spits for ground scenes as well. Didn't some of them spin props too? Of course with the increasing power of F/X in movies, you can now film formations worth of Me 262s attacking B-24s or whatever. The need for the actual warbird is pretty much gone. SMH |
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Yabbut - Helicopters are _different_. (And the Navy, of course has to be different, too, so Navy Helicopters are _very_ different) Different, as in similar but not quite the same, or Different as in NQR? In Helicopters you're either piling up the rotor wash faster than it can run away, That's the current theory. or the Earth is vastry increasing its repulsion of the noisy beast in a last-ditch effort to keep it from marring the ground. That's the only current competing theory. Having seen more than my share of between-the-wars European bomber designs, I KNOW UGLY. Hell, if the earth repelled ugly designs, Brequet would hold all of the endurance flight records. Helicopters do not marr the ground with their visual presence - they are simply generators for localized disruptions of the normal laws of physics. v/r Gordon |
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"M. H. Greaves" wrote:
I think it would depend on the attitude and the angle of attack, also wing area; the vulcan would float because of the wing area, it pushed a cushion of air in front of it at low altitude. I think that it's there for all a/c, look at that huge Russian jobbie...'ekronoplanne' (or somesuch). It was designed to use ground effect...I understand that you gotta be within about one-half of your wingspan from the surface. You can almost picture it, imagine why they use those 'winglets' at the tips of Airbus and others, they prevent vortices by 'discouraging' the higher pressure air from under the wings curling up and over the tips to the lower pressure air above the wing. -- -Gord. |
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I hope you'll allow me a small smile and a wink at your "3 to 5
feet". As you wish. You've a lot more experience than I have -- at the higher altitudes, of course. (snicker/wink) Quent |
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It is a 108! i saw it in "mosquito sqdn" and "633 sqdn", and further to that
it was in a flypast issue magaizine (dont ask me which one because it was a few years ago!!). But it is a Bf108!! "Krztalizer" wrote in message ... said, the chances of getting a REAL russian plane for the film would be pretty slim! "Ice Station Zero" - a flight of four (?) MiG-21 models turns into a real Phantom as it overflies the submarine. I have a photo from 1981, holding that MiG 21 model (there was actually only one - the flight of four was only a flight of one, copied several times). Its quite large, perhaps 30" long or a bit more. The original model is in a storeroom today in the San Diego Aerospace Museum. Also didn't Donald Pleasence get shot after James Gardner crashed theirs in 'The Great Escape'? I thought that was a Bucker Bu181 Bestmann (or a derivative), but I might be wrong. As Captain Tenneal would say, "Well, you're wrong." (Sticking my neck out here) I think its a 108. Dern few Bestmanns around. Anyone know for sure? -- Graeme Currently Reading: "The Day We Bombed Switzerland" - Granholm Where the heck have you been, Graeme? yfGordon ====(A+C==== USN SAR Its always better to lose AN engine, than THE engine. |
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including the exploding cardboard hirri's???
"Van Gardner" wrote in message om... I have a paperback book called "Battle of Britain" the making of a film. It's by Leonard Mosley and is about all the tricks they used to make the movie Battle of Britain. It's one of the most interesting I have. Van Gardner Stephen Harding wrote in message ... Cub Driver wrote: Great movie, by the way--Empire of the Sun, I mean. But did you notice that the entire tail section of the "Zero" turned? Probably it was an AT-6 with a pointy tail cone pasted on. This makes me wonder just what sort of "modifications" are typically done by Hollywood to create actual flying aircraft no longer in existence, or just not available to fly. Obviously, the main "trick" is simply paint the aircraft in the correct national markings. Thus a P-51 becomes an Me 109, an AT-6 a Zero (seems the most common role for a Texan in a movie). Some F-86s can become "Migs", and I vaguely recall a C-47 becoming a G4M Betty at one time. JN-4 "Jennies" served as German and British/US fighters in the WWI movies of the 20's and 30's. Just a splash of paint and a roundel made it a Sopwith Camel, or a black cross and it was a "Fokker". I believe in "Memphis Belle" a B-17G was converted to an F by actual removal of the nose turret. Addition of a tail cone to make an AT-6 into a Zero seems more than necessary, but some directors are detail focused. Then of course there are "faux warbird" props. Even during WWII when the real thing might have been available, you often see some dummied up aircraft. I think John Wayne in "Flying Tigers" had some plywood P-40s with propellers that would lazily spin trying to imitate a squadron cranking up for an intercept. I think the BoB TV movie "Piece of Cake" used some dummied up Spits for ground scenes as well. Didn't some of them spin props too? Of course with the increasing power of F/X in movies, you can now film formations worth of Me 262s attacking B-24s or whatever. The need for the actual warbird is pretty much gone. SMH |
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