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They call it the impossible turn.
Clark writes:
That response would have surprised my instructor on my first stage check when he pulled power on me just after we had flown over an airport. Losing power while overflying an airport isn't the same as losing power just after takeoff. Yes, I turned it around and landed it - didn't even bend anything either! It's all about situational awareness, particular circumstances, and training. The particular circumstances in which you can safely turn around after a total power loss on takeoff are very rare, irrespective of situational awareness or training. |
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They call it the impossible turn.
On Feb 14, 3:07*am, Clark wrote:
That response would have surprised my instructor on my first stage check when he pulled power on me just after we had flown over an airport. Yes, I turned it around and landed it - didn't even bend anything either! It's all about situational awareness, particular circumstances, and training. I did a couple of hours in gliders as -every- landing is a forced landing and it does wonders to your circuit planning. For the engine failure on takeoff my main airfield was next to a golf course one end and a park at the other. The other had harbour at one end and Straits at the other. The airstrip I used to fly into was a one way ag strip with a long line of hills in front and no flat ground either port or starboard. The prospect of an engine failure made me preplan as to what my actions would be under which circumstances. Then I got on with flying the aeroplane. |
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They call it the impossible turn.
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
... Clark writes: That response would have surprised my instructor on my first stage check when he pulled power on me just after we had flown over an airport. Losing power while overflying an airport isn't the same as losing power just after takeoff. Yes, I turned it around and landed it - didn't even bend anything either! It's all about situational awareness, particular circumstances, and training. The particular circumstances in which you can safely turn around after a total power loss on takeoff are very rare, irrespective of situational awareness or training. Not rare at all, they are very common--if you are proficient. |
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They call it the impossible turn.
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
... Stl Mongo writes: gotta call bull**** on this on MX... it doesn't even come close to "simulates just about every rock and bush" As I've said, it depends on what scenery you have installed. That is truly the ultimate proof that you have never seen the real scenery; but intuitively understand that your simulations would never be quite the same if you ever experienced reality. |
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They call it the impossible turn.
"Stl Mongo" wrote in message
... On 2/12/2010 2:48 PM, terry wrote: On Feb 13, 7:33 am, wrote: terry writes: Can you tell that an area in front of you is truly flat smooth and safe from 500 feet altitude? You can get a pretty good idea, How good an idea? How well does MS Flight simulator simulate what ground detail a pilot would see from 500 feet looking over the nose of the aircraft? We know you have never flown an aircraft, but have you ever even been a passenger in the front seat of an aircraft and experienced the view from 500 feet? And how long do you think you would have from 500 feet with no power to make a judgement of whether that peice of seemingly flat smooth safe land is really that? and what would you do when you get to 400 feet and suddenly discover there is a power line slap bang across the approach path or a bunch of kids playing chase? you have no idea. I've been using MS Flight sim since version 4, and I can honestly say that every time I have had to make an emergency landing during the takeoff phase of flight the ground in front of me has been simulated to be perfectly flat and smooth, and i am now able to discern this from altitudes well over 500 feet, even close to 1600 meters, go figure. By the way, i have flown a real ac, and from 500 ft, do you really think you could turn around and land on the rw? Not likely. The only times that I tried, the biggest problem was too much altitude--different types of real aircraft are different. |
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They call it the impossible turn.
"Morgans" wrote in message
... "terry" wrote you have no idea. Of course he doesn't. But you know that, as does everyone responding to his posts. Why bother? He will not learn. He will not admit he is wrong. Anyone reading this tread already knows he is an idiot, and will not try anything or believe anything he has said. Simply put, there is nothing left to be said. Gang, let's end it with this dope, before more good people see what nut cases are here, and never come back. -- Jim in NC You are right, of course, and I'll resist any further temptation! Peter |
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They call it the impossible turn.
Peter Dohm writes:
Not rare at all, they are very common--if you are proficient. Examples? |
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They call it the impossible turn.
Peter Dohm writes:
That is truly the ultimate proof that you have never seen the real scenery ... For some locations, I have scenery that is essentially identical to the real thing. Usually it's around airports, since highly detailed scenery for the entire world would require a massive database (and would be very costly to obtain, even if that amount of data were available). Most major airports are available as highly-detailed add-on scenery. ... but intuitively understand that your simulations would never be quite the same if you ever experienced reality. I have experienced reality, since I've already been in a plane, like many people. Given the compromises that the sim entails, I'm surprised that it resembles reality so much. I can even fly by pilotage in the sim, with default scenery. |
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They call it the impossible turn.
Am 14.02.10 00:55, schrieb Mxsmanic:
Peter Dohm writes: Not rare at all, they are very common--if you are proficient. Examples? Does a 180° from 400 feet with an Antonov An-2 count? http://www.bfu.admin.ch/common/pdf/1826_e.pdf In this case, there was unfortunately deep snow which caused a rollover after the successful touchdown, but nobody was hurt, so I'd call the manoevre successful. |
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They call it the impossible turn.
John Smith writes:
Does a 180° from 400 feet with an Antonov An-2 count? http://www.bfu.admin.ch/common/pdf/1826_e.pdf In this case, there was unfortunately deep snow which caused a rollover after the successful touchdown, but nobody was hurt, so I'd call the manoevre successful. Is this a common landing? |
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