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Old July 15th 03, 07:32 AM
Thomas Myers
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What is the proper phraseology to alert the controller that you are being
vectored through the localizer?
I'm thinking something like:
Approach, N12345 vector through localizer?

Thanks,

Tom


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Old July 15th 03, 11:54 AM
Scott Dommin
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"Approach, do you want us to join the localizer?"


"Thomas Myers" wrote in
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What is the proper phraseology to alert the controller that you are being
vectored through the localizer?
I'm thinking something like:
Approach, N12345 vector through localizer?

Thanks,

Tom




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Old July 15th 03, 01:16 PM
Sydney Hoeltzli
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Thomas Myers wrote:
What is the proper phraseology to alert the controller that you are being
vectored through the localizer?
I'm thinking something like:
Approach, N12345 vector through localizer?


Just give the facts.

They know you're on vectors, you don't need to tell them.

"Approach, N12345 is through the localizer"

Sydney

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Old July 15th 03, 01:19 PM
Sydney Hoeltzli
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Scott Dommin wrote:
"Approach, do you want us to join the localizer?"


Personally I leave my Sar Chasm on the ground when I talk to
ATC and if you're receiving vectors for the approach, that's
how the above comes across to me.

Cheers,
Sydney

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Old July 15th 03, 04:57 PM
John Clonts
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Thomas Myers wrote in message
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What is the proper phraseology to alert the controller that you are being
vectored through the localizer?
I'm thinking something like:
Approach, N12345 vector through localizer?

Thanks,

Tom


The time it happened to me, I said, "Approach, 7NZ is flying through the
localizer". He replied something like "that is correct, for spacing, I'll
turn you back on in a moment". But this was VMC, practice approach, at
Austin...

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas


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Old July 15th 03, 05:09 PM
Bob Gardner
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I don't see it as sarcasm....I've said the same thing hundreds of times.

Bob Gardner

"Sydney Hoeltzli" wrote in message
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Scott Dommin wrote:
"Approach, do you want us to join the localizer?"


Personally I leave my Sar Chasm on the ground when I talk to
ATC and if you're receiving vectors for the approach, that's
how the above comes across to me.

Cheers,
Sydney



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Old July 15th 03, 05:38 PM
John Harper
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Just "345 is flying through the localizer". In my experience, you'll get
one of two responses:

-- "oops, intercept" (or one time "oops, too late to intercept, turn
heading so-and-so to return for intercept")
-- "affirmative, fly so-and-so for spacing"

In VMC it's no big deal. In IMC with terrain if I didn't get an
immediate response (or the freq was busy) I'd invoke 91.3 and
intercept. There have been fatalities from people crossing the loc
and hitting terrain. I'd rather not be one.

John

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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Thomas Myers wrote in

message
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What is the proper phraseology to alert the controller that you are

being
vectored through the localizer?
I'm thinking something like:
Approach, N12345 vector through localizer?

Thanks,

Tom


The time it happened to me, I said, "Approach, 7NZ is flying through the
localizer". He replied something like "that is correct, for spacing, I'll
turn you back on in a moment". But this was VMC, practice approach, at
Austin...

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas




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Old July 15th 03, 06:12 PM
Newps
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ATC is required to tell you when they will bring you across the
localizer or FAC.

JerryK wrote:

It is defintely something I would ask about. Several times I have been on a
vector and when I questioned ATC about they sounded suprised and gave me new
instructions.


"Thomas Myers" wrote in
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What is the proper phraseology to alert the controller that you are being
vectored through the localizer?
I'm thinking something like:
Approach, N12345 vector through localizer?

Thanks,

Tom






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Old July 15th 03, 09:55 PM
Thomas Myers
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Thanks for the many helpful replies.



"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
news:fbYQa.59099$GL4.14780@rwcrnsc53...
As you can tell from the responses that you hve received, there is no
"proper" phraseology. The Air Traffic Control Handbook contains

phraseology
that controllers are required to use...and they have quality control
sessions to be sure that they are following the book. There is no such
resource or requirement for pilots, with the exception of recommendations

in
the AIM. Ralph Butcher has an article on point in the August Flight

Training
Magazine.

Bob Gardner

"Thomas Myers" wrote in
message ...
What is the proper phraseology to alert the controller that you are

being
vectored through the localizer?
I'm thinking something like:
Approach, N12345 vector through localizer?

Thanks,

Tom






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Old July 16th 03, 05:38 AM
Jim Baker
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"Kevin Chandler" wrote in message
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I keep it very simple. Controllers make mistakes too. I simply say,
"N12345 looking for a turn". This can be used as a friendly reminder to
intercept. I also use this if I am vectored around something and I want

to
make sure he did not forget about me.


I've used the same phrase in flying for over 30 years. C-150's to B-1Bs.
Works everytime.

JB


 




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