Banner Towing

We've done some banner towing, and there's more to it than meets
the eye. An STC'd tow hook with quick release ($$), special banners
($$), ground crew ($$), and special techniques (Practice and more $$).
We use a 7-foot tall banner (biggest we could get) and it's barely
readable at 1000 feet. Not terribly practical at that altitude. The
drag is enormous, climb is poor and the engine gets plenty hot, with
near full power at 70 mph in a 150 hp Citabria. I had a better time
towing gliders.

Dan

"Peter R." wrote in message
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Dudley wrote:

Bad idea! Forget it. Special equipment, special crew, special
training, and
whatever you do, don't even THINK about trailing something out the
window of
a 172 to avoid all this :-))

So, the idea that he tie a couple of old sneakers and a bunch of tin
cans to the struts wouldn't work?

--
Peter

For some reason I can't shake this vision of something streaming out the
window and getting caught in the right horizontal stabilizer/elevator hinge
margin. Could make for a VERY interesting flight!!
Dudley Henriques

On 3 May 2005 09:01:58 -0700, "Michael"
wrote:

A waiver from the FSDO, which you are unlikely to get as a 145 hour
private pilot.

I didn't notice that part!

I don't think a 145 hour pilot ought to be picking up banners, and
certainly not on his wedding day.


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On Tue, 03 May 2005 22:57:32 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
dhenriques@noware .net wrote:

For some reason I can't shake this vision of something streaming out the
window and getting caught in the right horizontal stabilizer/elevator hinge
margin. Could make for a VERY interesting flight!!

Maurice Kirk, who is trying to fly his L-4 Cub around the world,
thought he could jettison his empty gasoline jerry-jugs en route from
New Zealand to Australia. He let the first one stream back but
couldn't maneuver it past the flying wires on the tail.

Then he had the task of hauling it back in. His flight almost ended
right there.

http://www.pipercubforum.com/l4world.htm




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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 03 May 2005 22:57:32 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
dhenriques@noware .net wrote:

For some reason I can't shake this vision of something streaming out the
window and getting caught in the right horizontal stabilizer/elevator
hinge
margin. Could make for a VERY interesting flight!!

Maurice Kirk, who is trying to fly his L-4 Cub around the world,
thought he could jettison his empty gasoline jerry-jugs en route from
New Zealand to Australia. He let the first one stream back but
couldn't maneuver it past the flying wires on the tail.

Then he had the task of hauling it back in. His flight almost ended
right there.

http://www.pipercubforum.com/l4world.htm


Segway?

Dudley Henriques

On Wed, 04 May 2005 05:37:02 -0400, Cub Driver
wrote in
::

On 3 May 2005 09:01:58 -0700, "Michael"
wrote:

A waiver from the FSDO, which you are unlikely to get as a 145 hour
private pilot.

I didn't notice that part!

I believe a waiver is only necessary for airmen who don't hold a
Commercial Certificate or ATP.

"Larry Dighera" wrote:
...
I believe a waiver is only necessary for airmen who
don't hold a Commercial Certificate or ATP.

The waivers I've seen obtained by my friend in this business and his
pilots I believe say a commercial certificate is required. Whether or
not they would issue a waiver to a private pilot, thus for
noncommercial activity, would be a question to be posed to the FSDO.

Fred F.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...
I believe a waiver is only necessary for airmen who don't hold a
Commercial Certificate or ATP.

The regulation referenced earlier in this thread, 91.311, doesn't say
anything about the type of certificate.

On Wed, 4 May 2005 11:19:24 -0400, "TaxSrv" wrote
in ::

"Larry Dighera" wrote:
...
I believe a waiver is only necessary for airmen who
don't hold a Commercial Certificate or ATP.

The waivers I've seen obtained by my friend in this business and his
pilots I believe say a commercial certificate is required. Whether or
not they would issue a waiver to a private pilot, thus for
noncommercial activity, would be a question to be posed to the FSDO.

Given:

§ 91.311 Towing: Other than under §91.309.

No pilot of a civil aircraft may tow anything with that aircraft
(other than under §91.309) except in accordance with the terms of a
certificate of waiver issued by the Administrator.

It would appear that any towing by any pilot with the exception of
Gliders and unpowered ultralight vehicles requires a waiver.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 4 May 2005 11:19:24 -0400, "TaxSrv" wrote
in ::
Given:

§ 91.311 Towing: Other than under §91.309.

No pilot of a civil aircraft may tow anything with that aircraft
(other than under §91.309) except in accordance with the terms of a
certificate of waiver issued by the Administrator.

It would appear that any towing by any pilot with the exception of
Gliders and unpowered ultralight vehicles requires a waiver.


Interesting that the TFRs around stadiums pretty much rule out any banner towing aircraft, and that apparently all
banner towing pilots need this waiver.