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Old January 19th 05, 05:48 PM
Thomas Borchert
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Hectop,

Yeah, right.


Off yer medication again, Thomas?


No, but my BS detector went berserk, so I had to do something.

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Old January 19th 05, 05:48 PM
Thomas Borchert
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Capt.Doug,

regarding your subject line: The parachute is not meant to do that. The
pilot is.

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Old January 19th 05, 07:12 PM
Andrew Gideon
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C J Campbell wrote:

I wonder what his altitude was when he ran into trouble. Perhaps he was
too low, or maybe he thought he could make an emergency landing safely.
Guess we will have to wait for more details.


Or he was working on the problem and neglected to actually fly the airplane.
That was the story behind some airline crash in Florida, if memory serves.

But, as you say, we don't know enough to do more than guess wildly.

I suppose I should go with that theme and say it was a problem getting the
plane into the alien spaceship's docking bay.

- Andrew

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Old January 19th 05, 08:22 PM
HECTOP
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
No, but my BS detector went berserk, so I had to do something.


http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp

11 fatal accidents involving Cirrus SR-20/22 aircraft in last 4 years in the US alone...

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Old January 19th 05, 08:39 PM
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
Capt.Doug,

regarding your subject line: The parachute is not meant to do that.

The
pilot is.


That's the way it used to be. Now the pilot has a resignation handle.
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Old January 19th 05, 08:54 PM
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Andrew Gideon wrote:

That was the story behind some airline crash in Florida, if memory serves.


An L-1011. The pilots were descending for approach into Miami. An idiot light
came on, they started trying to trouble-shoot that, accidentally knocked the
control column (which turned the autopilot off), and set down in the glades.

The airline salvaged some of the plane and reused the pieces during maintenance
of other aircraft in the fleet. The ghost of the flight engineer was said to
haunt all of the planes that received these parts. I remember that it was quite
a scandal in Atlanta at the time - a number of people quit the airline.
Eventually all the parts were removed and destroyed.

Years later, the made a movie of the incident. Starred Ernest Borgnine, as I
recall.

George Patterson
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Old January 19th 05, 09:09 PM
Jack Allison
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HECTOP wrote:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp

11 fatal accidents involving Cirrus SR-20/22 aircraft in last 4 years in the US alone...

Doh! I hate it when people back statements up with data. Takes all the
fun out the petty arguing back and forth :-)

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Old January 19th 05, 09:30 PM
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"Capt.Doug" wrote in message
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From the FAA website-
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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" Regis#: 889JB Make/Model: SR22 Description: SR-22
Date: 01/15/2005 Time: 1723

Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Destroyed

LOCATION
City: COCONUT GROVE State: FL Country: US

DESCRIPTION
ACFT REPORTED AVIONICS PROBLEMS AND CRASHED INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA, THE
ONE PERSON ON BOARD WAS FATALLY INJURED, COCONUT CREEK, FL"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Additionally, the aircraft had just come out of maintenance were the tanks
were emptied. The investigators have not been able to find a fueling
ticket.


Did the parachute fail? Was there an attempt to deploy the parachute?


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Old January 19th 05, 09:31 PM
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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An L-1011. The pilots were descending for approach into Miami. An idiot
light
came on, they started trying to trouble-shoot that, accidentally knocked
the
control column (which turned the autopilot off), and set down in the
glades.


As I recall the problem was a light that failed to come on, the light
indicating that the nose gear was down.


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Old January 19th 05, 10:06 PM
Colin W Kingsbury
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"Gene Seibel" wrote in message
ups.com...


That's the way it used to be. Now the pilot has a resignation handle.
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That's one way to look at it. Another is that this is simply one more
back-up system to deal with certain failure modes that are otherwise
unrecoverable. The real mistake is thinking that this will be a *huge*
improvement to safety. The lay public thinks that if only people had
parachutes (including on airliners), nobody would get killed in airplane
accidents. To them, an airplane with a parachute should be 100% safe. In
fact the types of accidents where this can help are relatively rare, as seen
by the ratio of accidents to saves. I maintain that airbags, such as those
being installed in new Cessnas, will do a lot more to reduce misery by
helping in a far wider range of situations. But the smart thing obviously is
to do both. If we're talking pilot incapacitation, structural failure,
engine loss at night or over hostile terrain, the 'chute is a great option
that will save some lives. It certainly won't kill anybody who didn't start
digging their own hole.

-cwk.


 




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