IDF-Apache firing missiles on 67yr old civilian in wheelchair- at Sabra mosque in Gaza...

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In us.military.army Dave Holford
wrote:
Does anyone seriously believe that if the state of Israel was destroyed
the Palestinians would not be in a savage civil war within a very short
time?

This does not justify the occupation.

Of Spain?

In us.military.army Erik Von Erich wrote:

I'm thinking that the Israelis fired Hydra-70 rockets at him and his
handlers.

It's widely mentioned that it was hellfires used. They save the Hydras for
use against kids.


I can't believe that they would have used Hellfires.

That's pretty standard for Israeli operations, particularly in Gaza.
It works something like this:

1) Find a target.

2) Lob the biggest posible bomb at him, ensuring maximum collateral damage.

3) Accuse him of "Hiding behind civilians".


Truly, I think it's just a thinly veiled subterfuge to kill as many
Palestinians as possible, thus pre-emtively ruling out any possibility of
peace, and saving Israel the chore of bargaining away it's hard-won
territory.


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"It's not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a
dynamic state, oriented towards expansion."

-Israeli founding father Ben Gurion

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In us.military.army Erik Von Erich wrote:

I'm thinking that the Israelis fired Hydra-70 rockets at him and his
handlers.

It's widely mentioned that it was hellfires used. They save the Hydras for
use against kids.


I can't believe that they would have used Hellfires.

That's pretty standard for Israeli operations, particularly in Gaza.
It works something like this:

1) Find a target.

2) Lob the biggest posible bomb at him, ensuring maximum collateral damage.

3) Accuse him of "Hiding behind civilians".


Truly, I think it's just a thinly veiled subterfuge to kill as many
Palestinians as possible, thus pre-emtively ruling out any possibility of
peace, and saving Israel the chore of bargaining away it's hard-won
territory.

Very succinct, there, sport. Hightly succinct.

Grantland

"Tarver Engineering" posted
in us.military.army on Fri, 26 Mar
2004 11:01:26 -0800:


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In us.military.army Dave Holford
wrote:
Does anyone seriously believe that if the state of Israel was destroyed
the Palestinians would not be in a savage civil war within a very short
time?

This does not justify the occupation.

Of Spain?


Rains mainly on the plain.


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K. A. Cannon
kcannon at insurgent dot org
(change the orgy to org to reply)

mhm33x1

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process
he does not become a monster. And when you look into the abyss,
the abyss also looks into you"
- Nietzsche, From Beyond Good and Evil, (1886)


"The person who stands up and says, 'This is stupid,' either is asked to
`behave' or, worse, is greeted with a cheerful 'Yes, we know! Isn't it
terrific!'" - Frank Zappa

Tom/Mark in alt.test sez:
"People like you are pure scum, K.A. Cannon."

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"Tarver Engineering" posted
in us.military.army on Fri, 26 Mar
2004 11:01:26 -0800:


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In us.military.army Dave Holford
wrote:
Does anyone seriously believe that if the state of Israel was
destroyed
the Palestinians would not be in a savage civil war within a very
short
time?

This does not justify the occupation.

Of Spain?


Rains mainly on the plain.

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ladin.htm

"Chad Irby" wrote :

...like talking "slow" neighbor children (not their own!) into wearing
bomb vests, paying them the equivalent of $22, and sending them off to
blow up Israelis at checkpoints with a potential reward of 72 virgins.

Desperate people don't do that. Evil people do that.

If someone keeps you under occupation for five decades and don't plan to
leave you do not give a **** about "fair play". You do everything what you
think it's necessary to kick ocupators out.

They are just using Irish methods.
And civilians of both side suffer because of Palestinian and Israeli state
terror....

Actually, a lot of the bombers are more or less middle class, and not
particularly poor.

They lost their freedom, their country is occupied, most of them are living
in refuge camps in pore condition, Israelis are taking their land,
bulldozing their houses...
What more do they need to lose ?

"As for the bombers themselves, Krueger says terrorist literature
indicates they are more likely to come from the ranks of middle-class
college students."

You need to reassess your opinions on this one.

So you won't to say that for middle-class Palestinians their country is not
occupied and they are not living under Israeli repression?

You will have to read F. William Engdahl "A Century of War" to understant
something...

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"Nicky" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote :

...like talking "slow" neighbor children (not their own!) into wearing
bomb vests, paying them the equivalent of $22, and sending them off to
blow up Israelis at checkpoints with a potential reward of 72 virgins.

Desperate people don't do that. Evil people do that.

If someone keeps you under occupation for five decades and don't plan to
leave you do not give a **** about "fair play". You do everything what you
think it's necessary to kick ocupators out.

They are just using Irish methods.

Really? How many times has the IRA strapped a bomb to Little Billy and
sent him into a British checkpoint?

And civilians of both side suffer because of Palestinian and Israeli state
terror....

But the Palestinians are the side that has, continually, screwed it up
by breaking cease-fires, and destroying the peace process.

Actually, a lot of the bombers are more or less middle class, and not
particularly poor.

They lost their freedom, their country is occupied, most of them are living
in refuge camps in pore condition, Israelis are taking their land,
bulldozing their houses...
What more do they need to lose ?

They stand to lose most of what they were asking for.

Blame the idiots who keep getting in the way of their cease-fires by
blowing up Israelis. The last cease-fire was leading to a workable
solution (the Palestinians were getting pretty much everything they
wanted until the bombs started going off).

"As for the bombers themselves, Krueger says terrorist literature
indicates they are more likely to come from the ranks of middle-class
college students."

You need to reassess your opinions on this one.

So you won't to say that for middle-class Palestinians their country is not
occupied and they are not living under Israeli repression?

I *will* say that they could have had the occupation ended several times
over hte last couple of decades if they agreed to not murder Israelis.

You will have to read F. William Engdahl "A Century of War" to understant
something...

You will have to read the Hamas main Web site before you'll understand
*anything*.

If the Palestinians want peace and their own country, the first thing
they need to do is isolate the assholes.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

In "Nicky"
wrote:

They lost their freedom, their country is occupied, most of them are
living in refuge camps in pore condition,

.... because 50 years ago they backed the wrong side in an insane attempt
to drive the Israelis into the sea. And, every time they've been given the
chance, they've backed that losing side again.

And, they've lost a little more each time.

You'd think by now they'd have figured out what they're doing wrong.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN

"Nicky" wrote in message
...
So you won't to say that for middle-class Palestinians their country is
not
occupied and they are not living under Israeli repression?

Parsing this abuse of the English language, I can get that you think the
Palestinians had a "country". You might want to check your history. You
might want to look at the plight of Arabs who live in Israel and who have
not sworn to kill al of the Jews. They have greater freedom to practice
their religion in the way they choose, greater security, political freedom,
and in virtually every manner a better life with more freedom than those in
any Arab state or that the Palestinians would have had if Israel had never
existed.

Leonard

"Leonard Caillouet" wrote in message
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"Nicky" wrote in message
...
So you won't to say that for middle-class Palestinians their country is
not
occupied and they are not living under Israeli repression?

Parsing this abuse of the English language, I can get that you think the
Palestinians had a "country". You might want to check your history. You
might want to look at the plight of Arabs who live in Israel and who have
not sworn to kill al of the Jews. They have greater freedom to practice
their religion in the way they choose, greater security, political
freedom,
and in virtually every manner a better life with more freedom than those
in
any Arab state or that the Palestinians would have had if Israel had never
existed.

Can they marry someone from the West Bank and not have problems with the
Israeli Government?