Should We Bomb Syria and Iran?

"Peter Kemp" peter_n_kempathotmaildotcom wrote in message
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Personally, I believe pressure should be brought to bear on both Syria
and Iran for their support of terrorists, not their WMD - IIRC Syria
hasn't even signed the CWC and yet is being lambasted for having
chemical weapons.

The fun thing is, Syrians have actually provided USA some intel about Al
Qaida: Al Qaida is ideological enemy of more-or-less socialist and secular
Arab governments, like Syria (and Iraq...).

"Axis of evil" is a product of imagination, countries generally associated
to it tend to have little or no common interests and goals and in some
cases, they were/are downright enemies. Each of them is a separate case.
Hence the question is not "should USA bomb Syria and Iran" but "what USA
should do to persuade Iranians" and "what USA should do to persuade Syrians"
[to see US point of view].

And it's fairly certain that "bomb them" is pretty down on the list...

"Yama" wrote in message

"Axis of evil" is a product of imagination, countries generally
associated to it tend to have little or no common interests and goals
and in some cases, they were/are downright enemies. Each of them is a
separate case. Hence the question is not "should USA bomb Syria and
Iran" but "what USA should do to persuade Iranians" and "what USA
should do to persuade Syrians" [to see US point of view].

And it's fairly certain that "bomb them" is pretty down on the list...

Indeed. I'd much rather see Iran as a U.S. ally than not. The current
Iranian "Generation-X" pretty much despises the Mullahs that run the
country, and as often as they can (and in private) embrace western values.

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On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:49:36 GMT, Bill Silvey wrote:
"Yama" wrote in message

Indeed. I'd much rather see Iran as a U.S. ally than not. The current
Iranian "Generation-X" pretty much despises the Mullahs that run the
country, and as often as they can (and in private) embrace western values.

There's a lot of truth in this. Unfortunately aggressive US action
against Iran would tend to reduce it.

Perha[ps the weest could play "good cop, bad cop" with Iran: USA and
Israel threaten to attack, Europe offers to sell (or give) them
modern weapons if they liberalise.

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"Bill Silvey" wrote in message .com...
Indeed. I'd much rather see Iran as a U.S. ally than not. The current
Iranian "Generation-X" pretty much despises the Mullahs that run the
country, and as often as they can (and in private) embrace western values.

I might be delusional about all this, but my feeling is that if we all
leave Iran in peace, in something like 20 years it could turn into a
thoughroughly modern state. Still predominantly islamic, but the way
many Western nations are predominantly christian, rather than the
fundamantalist islam of the ayatollahs. Much as I dislike what
happened there in the past, Iran might be our best hope of introducing
a stable factor in the region, compatible with the Western way of
doing things.

Rob

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htmRob van Riel
wrote in message
om...
"Bill Silvey" wrote in message
.com...
Indeed. I'd much rather see Iran as a U.S. ally than not. The
current
Iranian "Generation-X" pretty much despises the Mullahs that run the
country, and as often as they can (and in private) embrace western
values.

I might be delusional about all this, but my feeling is that if we all
leave Iran in peace, in something like 20 years it could turn into a
thoughroughly modern state. Still predominantly islamic, but the way
many Western nations are predominantly christian, rather than the
fundamantalist islam of the ayatollahs. Much as I dislike what
happened there in the past, Iran might be our best hope of introducing
a stable factor in the region, compatible with the Western way of
doing things.

Rob

Iran is a wonderful example, or it could be, to some of the Muslims.
It's had virtually no Western influence in decades and still failed as a
Muslim state. All the other miserable ****-holes can always claim their
failure is due to a Burger King or Coca-Cola stand on the corner
somewhere. The Iranians have no excuse but their own dysfunction. It's
a shame they are Shia Death Cult members rather than
Sunni/Wahabbi/Salafi Death Cult members, otherwise the lesson would be
perfect for them. Oh well they aren't living 500 years in the past by
accident.

Too bad Iran is actively trying to get nukes and spreading terrorism in
the meantime. Maybe we can reach an agreement with the mullahs where
the Iranians only attack Europeans while Americans go back to ignoring
the world.

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reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
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(Rob van Riel) wrote:

"Bill Silvey"
Indeed. I'd much rather see Iran as a U.S. ally than not. The current
Iranian "Generation-X" pretty much despises the Mullahs that run the
country, and as often as they can (and in private) embrace western values.

I might be delusional about all this, but my feeling is that if we all
leave Iran in peace, in something like 20 years it could turn into a
thoughroughly modern state. Still predominantly islamic, but the way
many Western nations are predominantly christian, rather than the
fundamantalist islam of the ayatollahs. Much as I dislike what
happened there in the past, Iran might be our best hope of introducing
a stable factor in the region, compatible with the Western way of
doing things.

And especially next to a (hopefully) stable Iraq. Saudi Arabia
is about to hold elections, and I think it's safe to say their
government is going to wobble around some as they move away from a
tightly controlled monarchy. A developing Iran, a rebuilding Iraq
could make Syria a little more likely to negotiate and be peaceable
when they see their neighbors doing well.

At this point I have precious little faith in the State Dept
being able to do anything in this regard, though.



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On 15 Oct 2003 04:15:44 -0700, Rob van Riel wrote:
"Bill Silvey" wrote in message .com...
Indeed. I'd much rather see Iran as a U.S. ally than not. The current
Iranian "Generation-X" pretty much despises the Mullahs that run the
country, and as often as they can (and in private) embrace western values.

I might be delusional about all this, but my feeling is that if we all
leave Iran in peace, in something like 20 years it could turn into a
thoughroughly modern state.

I think you're probably right here.

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people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia
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to it and reversed the last two letters).

Yama wrote in message
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"Peter Kemp" peter_n_kempathotmaildotcom wrote in message
...
Personally, I believe pressure should be brought to bear on both
Syria
and Iran for their support of terrorists, not their WMD - IIRC Syria
hasn't even signed the CWC and yet is being lambasted for having
chemical weapons.

The fun thing is, Syrians have actually provided USA some intel about
Al
Qaida: Al Qaida is ideological enemy of more-or-less socialist and
secular
Arab governments, like Syria (and Iraq...).


Syria also houses the headquarters for organizations that have killed
more Americans than anyone else, prior to Sept 11. Time to punish Syria
for what is doing and hasn't done. I haven't even brought up the few
billion dollars of "super notes" that they counterfeit each year.

As for Axis of Evil, the phrase wasn't used to convey that the three
members were working in league, but that they have a common purpose.
And they do.

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Scott
--------
"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:02:55 -0500, tscottme wrote:

Syria also houses the headquarters for organizations that have killed
more Americans than anyone else, prior to Sept 11. Time to punish Syria
for what is doing and hasn't done. I haven't even brought up the few
billion dollars of "super notes" that they counterfeit each year.

What are "super notes"? US currency?

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In article ,
ess (phil hunt) wrote:

What are "super notes"? US currency?

Yep. The top end of counterfeit US currency, of such quality that they
could only be made by someone with the resources and cash of a country.

The new multicolor $20 bills are coming out in direct response to such
notes.

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