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Old January 28th 08, 07:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Larry Dighera writes:

Due process.


Granted, but the sentences seem strange. The sentence for murder was
pretty light, and so were the punishments for the other parties.


Depends. What jury would convict your murderer?

Bertie
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Old January 28th 08, 07:28 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:32:30 +0100, Mxsmanic
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Larry Dighera writes:

Due process.


Granted, but the sentences seem strange. The sentence for murder was pretty
light, and so were the punishments for the other parties.


I agree.

And it seems that Skyguide management, which was ultimately responsible for
the situation, didn't receive any penalties at all.


So justice wasn't done very well. That's not so unusual; OJ, Blake,
Lay, de Lay, Rove, Bush, Gonzales, ... come to mind.

This is the danger in hiring private companies to handle activities that are
naturally monopolies. Quality _always_ declines.


Unfortunately, it's not that simple.

Take the USAF verbal reprimand of the F-16 flight leader, Parker, who
lead his flight through congested Class B & C terminal airspace (which
he failed to brief as required by regulations) without benefit of the
required ATC clearance, resulting in the MAC with an ATP rated flight
instructor in a Cessna 172. The USAF handed down a verbal reprimand
for manslaughter.
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Old January 28th 08, 09:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Larry Dighera writes:

Take the USAF verbal reprimand of the F-16 flight leader, Parker, who
lead his flight through congested Class B & C terminal airspace (which
he failed to brief as required by regulations) without benefit of the
required ATC clearance, resulting in the MAC with an ATP rated flight
instructor in a Cessna 172. The USAF handed down a verbal reprimand
for manslaughter.


The military traditionally has a low opinion of civilians, even though it only
exists to serve them.

Is there an NTSB report on this?
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Old January 28th 08, 09:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Larry Dighera writes:

Take the USAF verbal reprimand of the F-16 flight leader, Parker, who
lead his flight through congested Class B & C terminal airspace
(which he failed to brief as required by regulations) without benefit
of the required ATC clearance, resulting in the MAC with an ATP rated
flight instructor in a Cessna 172. The USAF handed down a verbal
reprimand for manslaughter.


The military traditionally has a low opinion of civilians,


They've obviously met you.


Bertie
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Old January 28th 08, 09:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Larry Dighera writes:


Take the USAF verbal reprimand of the F-16 flight leader, Parker, who
lead his flight through congested Class B & C terminal airspace (which
he failed to brief as required by regulations) without benefit of the
required ATC clearance, resulting in the MAC with an ATP rated flight
instructor in a Cessna 172. The USAF handed down a verbal reprimand
for manslaughter.


The military traditionally has a low opinion of civilians, even though it only
exists to serve them.


Like you would know anything about military tradition.

Is there an NTSB report on this?


Yes.

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Old January 28th 08, 09:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Like you would know anything about military tradition.


I already know enough to be wary.

Yes.


Found. A grossly negligent military pilot kills a civilian.
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Old January 28th 08, 10:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Like you would know anything about military tradition.


I already know enough to be wary.

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Old January 28th 08, 10:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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writes:

Like you would know anything about military tradition.


I already know enough to be wary.


But you're wary of going out for a walk!

Bwawhawhahwhhahwahwhhahwhahw!



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Old January 28th 08, 10:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:22:25 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote in :

Larry Dighera writes:

Take the USAF verbal reprimand of the F-16 flight leader, Parker, who
lead his flight through congested Class B & C terminal airspace (which
he failed to brief as required by regulations) without benefit of the
required ATC clearance, resulting in the MAC with an ATP rated flight
instructor in a Cessna 172. The USAF handed down a verbal reprimand
for manslaughter.


The military traditionally has a low opinion of civilians, even though it only
exists to serve them.

Is there an NTSB report on this?


There is a summary of the final NTSB report he
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...8?dmode=source


The USAF AIB report is he
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...6?dmode=source


There's discussion he
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...999e553d4dff5f


This isn't the first time:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...0e f5267d6416

The NTSB found a glider that was hit by an A4 (IIRC) out in the
boonies to be at fault despite its having the right of way over
powered aircraft.
 




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