GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message
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Not to mention Venezuela...

we don't need F-22s to fight venezuela.



Unless they buy a **** load of su-27's and S-400's with all
that oil money the US is supplying them.
With production running at 3 million barrels per day they
have an income of around $170 billion per annum which is
double what they had last year.

That could buy Chavez a lot of shiny new toys that go bang.

Keith


when he does but them and trains people to use them, and trains people to
service them.
and since su-27s first flew in 1977 and went into service in 1984 i'd say
they are not exactly cutting edge technology.

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
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On Jun 11, 11:34 am, "Roger Conroy"
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Who is going to be at war with whom in 2022, and what types of weapons
systems will be used

Napoleon was unknown in 1790.
In 1910 England and Germany were each other's best trading partners.
Germany was the model democracy in 1930.
In 1940 the Air Corps had prepared to defend our coastlines. WTF is a
Guadal Canal?
Who expected the Korean War in early 1950, or Vietnam in 1960?
Argentina taking on England??? Are you dreaming?
There was no chance of war with Iraq in 1990 or 2000.

Whatever comes will be the war we are least prepared for so they have
a better prospect of winning.


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or maybe a new barbarian invasion or the south will try to secede again.
OH NO! the sky might fall.



history has shown couintryies with huge armies generally have the wrong
army.
the french,british and ussr all found out in WWII that they had the wrong
army at the start,
the ruskis and the french had very large "modern" armies.
germany and the U.S. had next to nothing. when war started to loom germany
and the u.s. enyered it with the right armies.

a strong country is a country with a strong manufacturing base and not one
with a huge army.

wars are won by spare parts and what you can replace.

Keith Willshaw wrote:
"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message
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Not to mention Venezuela...

we don't need F-22s to fight venezuela.




Unless they buy a **** load of su-27's and S-400's with all
that oil money the US is supplying them.

With production running at 3 million barrels per day they
have an income of around $170 billion per annum which is
double what they had last year.

That could buy Chavez a lot of shiny new toys that go bang.

Keith



Saddam had toys too. Come put up or shut up time, they ran or got zaped.
Just because you own a Porsche, don't mean you can drive like Jeff
Gordon. We still have experince, training & tactics to go along with our
USA made toys.

Roger Conroy wrote:
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
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On Jun 10, 8:14 pm, Ian B MacLure wrote:

Who with?

Right now the "who" and "with" are unknown.
Rest assured however that at some point there will be both
"who" and "with".

IBM

Look at world conditions in 1930 and see if you could have predicted
the next war.


many did predict it.
and its not 1930



So if you are incapable of understanding historical analogy, then answer
this:
Who is going to be at war with whom in 2022, and what types of weapons
systems will be used?



If oil stays above $100 a barrel Lots of people will be fighting sooner
than 2022. The oil haves vs the oil have nots.

AirRaid wrote:
I'd advocate an F-22C with:
more powerful, more efficient engines (40,000+ lbs trust each)
IRST, plus the other things that were cut out of the 1980s ATF spec as
the YF-22 was finalized..
improved stealth
larger weapons bay that can hold 8-10 AMRAAMs

Upgrade current F-22A models with as much of the tech that goes into
F-22C as possible.


F-35 is no replacement for F-22
Just like F-16 was no replacement for F-15C, F-15E.


What do you sacrifce to pay for it? THE C-5 upgrade? A New Tanker? THe
V-22? Push back the F35 even further and increased cost? The next Gen
bomber some keep asking for? The grounded F-15 problem? Sorry but Obama
( God help us) does not seem like a big USAF spender. I've yet to hear
him back even one major weapon program. SO what do you give up to get
your F22'S???????

Raymond O'Hara wrote:
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or maybe a new barbarian invasion or the south will try to secede again.
OH NO! the sky might fall.

French speaking Quebec may decide to leave.


wars are won by spare parts and what you can replace.

That is long wars.

Andrew Swallow

"Tiger" wrote in message
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Roger Conroy wrote:
"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
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On Jun 10, 8:14 pm, Ian B MacLure wrote:

Who with?

Right now the "who" and "with" are unknown.
Rest assured however that at some point there will be both
"who" and "with".

IBM

Look at world conditions in 1930 and see if you could have predicted
the next war.


many did predict it.
and its not 1930



So if you are incapable of understanding historical analogy, then answer
this:
Who is going to be at war with whom in 2022, and what types of weapons
systems will be used?

If oil stays above $100 a barrel Lots of people will be fighting sooner
than 2022. The oil haves vs the oil have nots.


Don't take your eye off the "Water Haves" vs. "Water Have Nots" either.

"Andrew Swallow" wrote in message
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Raymond O'Hara wrote:
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or maybe a new barbarian invasion or the south will try to secede again.
OH NO! the sky might fall.

French speaking Quebec may decide to leave.


wars are won by spare parts and what you can replace.
That is long wars.





what other kind are there?

"home before the leaves fall"
popular saying in august 1914

"Roger Conroy" wrote in message
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"Tiger" wrote in message
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Roger Conroy wrote:
"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in message
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
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On Jun 10, 8:14 pm, Ian B MacLure wrote:

Who with?

Right now the "who" and "with" are unknown.
Rest assured however that at some point there will be both
"who" and "with".

IBM

Look at world conditions in 1930 and see if you could have predicted
the next war.


many did predict it.
and its not 1930



So if you are incapable of understanding historical analogy, then
answer this:
Who is going to be at war with whom in 2022, and what types of weapons
systems will be used?

If oil stays above $100 a barrel Lots of people will be fighting sooner
than 2022. The oil haves vs the oil have nots.


Don't take your eye off the "Water Haves" vs. "Water Have Nots" either.


the "have nots" are not in position to threaten the "haves"

On Jun 11, 10:39*am, "Raymond O'Hara"
wrote:
"Typhoon502" wrote in message

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On Jun 11, 6:51 am, "Roger Conroy"
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Raymond O'Hara wrote:
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"Raymond O'Hara" wrote in
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we are in two wars now{which we are losing} and you're worried about an
imaginary war against an imaginary opponent.
russia is not a credible threat. and it is decades away from being one.

Losing? Lose to whom? Current events don't seem be anywere close. As for
Russia? They have in the last year expanded their military activity.
They
are flying Bears again, opposed our missile defence plans, and Nato
expansions. Decades may be a bit much.

Russia is not the only possible future technologically advanced enemy -
don't take your eyes of China, or a possible Arab alliance.- Hide quoted
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Not to mention Venezuela...

we don't need F-22s to fight venezuela.- Hide quoted text -

If they buy Su-30MKIs? Venezuela has a lot of money and a good
Communist leader. F-15s might be able to handle the threat today, but
those airframes are aging, and you need an air dominance fighter of
*at least* an F-15C's capability to stand even with current Flankers.
Personally, I don't think we should be counting on 30-year-old
fighters in most any scenario, least of which is an ambitious and
belligerent banana republic president with fistfuls of petrodollars.