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Another Botched use of runways
Is it me or is the FAA about one incident away from a
disaster worse than Lexington? http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/31/mis....ap/index.html Notice the number of passengers on board Now look what happens when you land or take off on the wrong runway or use a taxi way You hit **** sometimes http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/sq006/photo.shtml Where was ATCT? How can the tower not see a jet is lined up for a taxiway landing? I wonder if all the experienced white males over 40 have been run off from this location also by the Anti-White male racist FAA??? |
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"Skunk" wrote in message
. .. Is it me or is the FAA about one incident away from a disaster worse than Lexington? Please explain how someone in the ATC cab, maybe a half-mile away and off-axis, would be able to tell an aircraft is 100 feet left/right of final? This is like blaming the mall security guard when someone dings your car door in the parking lot. -- Scott |
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"tscottme" wrote in message . .. Please explain how someone in the ATC cab, maybe a half-mile away and off-axis, would be able to tell an aircraft is 100 feet left/right of final? He doesn't know. He's an idiot. |
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Another Botched use of runways
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"tscottme" wrote in message . .. Please explain how someone in the ATC cab, maybe a half-mile away and off-axis, would be able to tell an aircraft is 100 feet left/right of final? He doesn't know. He's an idiot. You are the idiot sir 1. The ILS would be off in the cockpit 2. If the ATCT can't see an aircraft landing incorrectly on the taxiway what good are they? 3. The pilot(s) should notice 4. The pilots on the ground should notice 5. The BRITE display in the cab should paint a weird picture of a weird approach on radar ALL of the above however requires a human being who gives a **** In todays America nobody is at fault huh? Just point blame don't accept fault or fix the problem. That is the long term result of dumbing down and filling ATCT cabs and the FAA and cockpits with unqualified minorities and women. A cluster **** in Air Traffic control America is on her way marching toward a society like a Banana Republic. One Politically Correct bite at a time. Hold on it's going to be a bumpy ride Go ahead. Shoot me I am the racist messenger. If it makes you feel better. |
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"Skunk" wrote in message ... You are the idiot sir Am I? What have I written that you believe to be idiotic? 1. The ILS would be off in the cockpit Can the ILS in the cockpit be seen from the ATCT? 2. If the ATCT can't see an aircraft landing incorrectly on the taxiway what good are they? No good at all. And what good are pilots if they can't see the aircraft is lined up with a taxiway instead of a runway. In the name of aviation safety we must eliminate ATCTs and pilots.landing incorrectly on 3. The pilot(s) should notice Yes, but you didn't blame the pilots, you blamed the FAA. 4. The pilots on the ground should notice What pilots on the ground should notice? 5. The BRITE display in the cab should paint a weird picture of a weird approach on radar Why? Have you ever seen BRITE radar? Have you ever been in an ATCT? Have you been to an airport? ALL of the above however requires a human being who gives a **** In todays America nobody is at fault huh? Just point blame don't accept fault or fix the problem. That is the long term result of dumbing down and filling ATCT cabs and the FAA and cockpits with unqualified minorities and women. A cluster **** in Air Traffic control America is on her way marching toward a society like a Banana Republic. One Politically Correct bite at a time. Hold on it's going to be a bumpy ride Go ahead. Shoot me I am the racist messenger. If it makes you feel better. No, you're not a messenger, you're just an idiot. |
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:11:07 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote: "Skunk" wrote in message . .. snip 4. The pilots on the ground should notice What pilots on the ground should notice? The ones who mistakenly pulled out in front of the landing aircraft? 5. The BRITE display in the cab should paint a weird picture of a weird approach on radar Why? Have you ever seen BRITE radar? Have you ever been in an ATCT? Have you been to an airport? I do have to admit that on one training flight in actual to Pontiac (PTK) as I was coming down the glide slope fighting a 90 degree cross wind that seemed to counter every correction the tower did come on and ask if I planned on landing on the taxiway, or was I going to use the runway. I replied I was kinda hoping for the big one on the left with all the marks painted on it if the wind would cooperate. When we broke out pretty close to DH I was very close to being lined up. I had to be with as sensitive as those needles get that low. :-)) OTOH that is more than a bit different than trying to see an airplane 100 feet left or right of centerline from the cab. snip Go ahead. Shoot me I am the racist messenger. If it makes you feel better. No, you're not a messenger, you're just an idiot. Certainly a bit...aw...never mind. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Another Botched use of runways
Skunk wrote:
You are the idiot sir 1. The ILS would be off in the cockpit 2. If the ATCT can't see an aircraft landing incorrectly on the taxiway what good are they? 3. The pilot(s) should notice 4. The pilots on the ground should notice 5. The BRITE display in the cab should paint a weird picture of a weird approach on radar Obviously, you are not an aviation professional or, if you are, you are incompetent. KEWR Runway 29 does not have a straight-in instrument approach procedure of any type, much less an ILS. As they say in court, you are assuming facts not in evidence. I can understand why they replaced you. |
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Skunk wrote:
In todays America nobody is at fault huh? um... The pilot that's flying? G |
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"Skunk" wrote in message
... 1. The ILS would be off in the cockpit Yes, and this is the PF's (Pilot Flying) problem. Only if the controller is giving the pilot a SAR "talkdown" (very rare) would he be using any system that allows him to see accurately where the aircraft is relative to the runway centreline. 2. If the ATCT can't see an aircraft landing incorrectly on the taxiway what good are they? Remember the Tower is generally off to the side of the runway - often by quite a way. Thus, until an aircraft is relatively close to the runway, it's pretty hard to picture where an aircraft is relative to the centreline. 3. The pilot(s) should notice Yes, they should. Landing in the right place, in the right configuration, and at the right speed is the job of the pilots. 4. The pilots on the ground should notice They _might_ notice, but the priority of the pilots of any aircraft on the ground is to make their way around the airport safely, down the right routes and without banging into anything or anybody. Taxying, though apparently easy, is actually one of the places where plenty of accidents occur through complacency. And let's face it, if aircraft on the ground were having accidents because their crew were too busy looking into the sky, you'd be moaning about that too. It may well be that someone waiting on a taxiway might have been gazing into the air and thought: "Hang about, his approach looks a bit weird", but (a) at an airfield with multiple runways the instinct might be that the landing aircraft is heading into a different runway. And even if you do choose to say anything, it might take a while to get a word in edgeways if the frequency is busy. In todays America nobody is at fault huh? Errr, no. If a pilot is told which bit of ground to land on, and then lands on the wrong bit, then it's his (or her) fault. Simple as that. Go surf the NTSB incident report archive and you'll find plenty of reports where blame is attributed - to engineers, to controllers, to pilots, to wherever it's due. DC |
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Another Botched use of runways
"Skunk" wrote in message
. .. I wonder if all the experienced white males over 40 have been run off from this location also by the Anti-White male racist FAA??? Your sentence, as you've punctuated it, is asking us if that's what you wonder. So I suppose the answer is: yes, given your tediously obsessive bigotry, you probably do wonder that. |
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