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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:08:58 +0000 (UTC), "Quilljar"
wrote: Well I bought it and it would not install/run without the crack, and I read that this is true for a few others. It's a bit late to be too moralistic now as cracks for ALL pc and Mac games have been available on the web for years now. Jeroen Wenting wrote: if you bought it you need no crack... The license expressly forbids using them. The license forbids a lot of things to which "fair use" says you can have. AS has been shown on here there are situations where the system will not run using the DVD drive for disk 4. Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) "Jerry Morgan" wrote in message ... Hallo! I've just bought FS2004 and I'm wondering if someone has a crack, so I don't have to use my CDs to fly the FS... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 12/08/2003 |
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"Jerry Morgan" wrote in message
... Hallo! I've just bought FS2004 and I'm wondering if someone has a crack, so I don't have to use my CDs to fly the FS... You'll find the no cd fix on this page: http://www.scenery.org/faq.htm |
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:08:52 GMT, "Marty Ross"
wrote: But do you feel that makes it OK to "Accept" the terms of an agreement -- e.g., just because you can't be punished for breaking the agreement? The "agreement" is a very long list of legal boiler plate. Some of it cannot be enforced either practically or legally. Even the agreement acknowledges this with the statement if one clause is cannot be enforced the rest of the clauses will still be in effect. Bottom line for me is that it is meaningless verbiage with I "agree" to by using the software. I then completely ignore it. As I stated in a previous post, I paid for it, it is now mine, and I will use it as I see fit. |
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"Marty Ross" wrote in message
news Regarding the "implicit agreement about the usability of the software", I seem to remember a clause that states something like: "user accepts all risks as to fitness of use..." and: "producer grants no guarantee as to merchantibility or fitness of use", etc. Like I said, much of the EULA is unenforceable. The product must be expected to be usable at some basic level, otherwise the sale of the software is fraud. The publisher can write "as is" in the EULA all they want, they still have a legal obligation to expect each and every purchaser to be able to use the software. Regarding how well their agreement holds up in court, I don't know; you're probably right. But do you feel that makes it OK to "Accept" the terms of an agreement -- e.g., just because you can't be punished for breaking the agreement? Of course I do. The reason I can't be punished is because the agreement isn't legal. Why should I concern myself with someone else's attempt to illegally restrict my rights? Pete |
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:08:52 GMT, "Marty Ross"
wrote: Regarding the "implicit agreement about the usability of the software", I seem to remember a clause that states something like: "user accepts all risks as to fitness of use..." and: "producer grants no guarantee as to merchantibility or fitness of use", etc. Basically, I understand this to mean that you're on your own -- the producer (Microsoft) makes NO guarantee that you can use the thing for ANY purpose. If they're nice, I guess they'll refund your money if it doesn't work for you. BUT THEY DON'T OWE YOU ANYTHING IF IT DOESN'T. And I seriously doubt they are going to go after any one who uses a crack to run the software. Nor do I see anything wrong with using a crack so the user doesn't have to bother with inserting the CD regardless of what the EUL says. I do disagree with using the crack to allow someone to share. That is different and a violation of copyright law. The first does not violate copyright, and it is something that has been provided for in "fair use" even though the DMCA says otherwise. it's time someone with enough clout turned the DMCA into something that treats users and supplies in an equally fair manner. Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) |
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Dry up Marty,
Your BS is why everybody hates lawyers. WS |
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"Peter Duniho" wrote
"Roger Halstead" wrote in message And fair use says you may make a backup copy of your software, yet MS sets up FS to prevent this. Two wrongs don't make a right, but I have no sympathy for MS in this case either. Two wrongs don't make a right, but IMHO using a "no CD crack" for the furtherance of legitimate use (i.e. archival copy) isn't a wrong at all. Just because something's illegal, that doesn't necessarily make it wrong (and vice a versa). Especially if you live in a country where it isn't illegal. By the way, Microsoft was one of the last companies on the copy-protection bandwagon, other than a brief flirtation with it in the 80's. Pirates helped Microsoft gain a strangle hold on the desktop PC, entrenching Windows. At first, distribution was crucial. Now, in order to maintain network effects, Microsoft is beginning to offer its Windows and Office software combination for $40 in Malaysia and to drop the price in other countries. The fact folks in China get it for free is not a bad thing while we in "civilized" nations are paying the PC user dues which make Microsoft billions per year in profits and add to Microsoft's current $50,000,000,000 USD surplus of cash. Microsoft must maintain network effects, if necessary by further dropping its prices for Windows/Office in countries which are threatening to use Linux. It's been standard practice in the games market, by ALL companies, for over a decade. Could be. But when I have a choice, a software publisher can do as it pleases. Not sure if you're singling out Microsoft or not, Most software makers have to compete for a living. Microsoft has 80% profit margins on its monopoly software. Microsoft has a $50,000,000,000 (that's 50 billion) USD surplus of cash. Microsoft doesn't have an excuse for making crapware or restricting the use of its game software in civilised countries. When it comes to Windows/Office, we in the United States must accept the restrictions and pay. From the federal district court of the United States. "Microsoft possesses monopoly power in the market for Intel-compatible PC operating systems." From the federal appeals court of the United States. "... we uphold the District Court's finding of monopoly power in its entirety." but if you are, they don't deserve it. All of the software publishers are equally guilty of putting their own interests ahead of their *legitimate* users. The perversion of the DMCA is one aspect as to removing users rights. Exactly. One of the most ridiculous provisions of the DMCA is to prohibit ANY circumvention of copy protection, regardless of intent. I've yet to read about a serious attempt to contest this in the courts, but IMHO if such a case does come up and the DMCA isn't found to be unconstitutional at least in that area, we can pretty much give up on our country ever being again what the founders intended. Pete |
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