Submitting flights to the OLC

I have had great difficulty successfully downloading flights from my
Cambridge Model 25 data logger to the OLC. Apparently, my "Cambridge
file does not contain a G-record or the G-record file is not suited for
validation with the FAI supplied software" (quoted from Official
Comment from OLC). Their recommendtion is to use a special software
(for each submition) which involves 7 steps which, for me at least, is
far from straight forward. I am trying to do this through "SeeYou"
which was a snap last year but not now! I am only one of several
pilots submitting flights from the Senior Contest who are experiencing
this problem. Does anyone know of a practicle solution?

Lorry (LJ)

Lorry wrote:
I have had great difficulty successfully downloading flights from my
Cambridge Model 25 data logger to the OLC. Apparently, my "Cambridge
file does not contain a G-record or the G-record file is not suited for
validation with the FAI supplied software" (quoted from Official
Comment from OLC). Their recommendtion is to use a special software
(for each submition) which involves 7 steps which, for me at least, is
far from straight forward. I am trying to do this through "SeeYou"
which was a snap last year but not now! I am only one of several
pilots submitting flights from the Senior Contest who are experiencing
this problem. Does anyone know of a practicle solution?

Lorry (LJ)


Now that the SSA is affiliated with the OLC, maybe we can get the SSA to
pressure the OLC to go back to the way it was last year, when you didn't
need a secure logger to get credit for your flight. The OLC security
requirements are a solution in search of a problem -- there aren't many
pilots who are going to fake a flight trace just to get a few more OLC
points. The OLC's love of pointless technology is well illustrated by
the 5 numbers you now must type in when you want to view a flight log.

Incidentally, the 7-step-song-and-dance for CAI 20/25 files actually
takes less than 5 minutes once you get the hang of it, though for the
last week the OLC software seems unable to validate such files.

Incidentally, the 7-step-song-and-dance for CAI 20/25 files actually
takes less than 5 minutes once you get the hang of it,


But if I understand the 2006 rules correctly I can no longer use a PDA
to download my 302 or model 25. I have to use "approved" download
software and I think that is only available for PC's and not PDA's. So
far none of my PDA downloads (GNII or CAI PDA utility) have been
rejected.


Andy

I believe you can download a log from a 302 to a pda using the Cambridge
Utility software, use that log to submit a flight to OLC and it will be
accepted. A few pilots in Florida this winter has used that method and the
flights have been accepted.

Downloads from a Model 20/25 are a different problem.

Bob Fidler

"Andy" wrote in message
oups.com...

Incidentally, the 7-step-song-and-dance for CAI 20/25 files actually
takes less than 5 minutes once you get the hang of it,


But if I understand the 2006 rules correctly I can no longer use a PDA
to download my 302 or model 25. I have to use "approved" download
software and I think that is only available for PC's and not PDA's. So
far none of my PDA downloads (GNII or CAI PDA utility) have been
rejected.


Andy

http://www2.onlinecontest.org/olcphp...c=olc-usa&spr=
en&dclp=e2bbaec84a6dbb235317f568028cc499#2

If you scroll down the attached link...directions included(which
I have not tried yet)...for validation from Cambridge
loggers.

Oh boy, we get to return to the world of DOS....as
with badge attempts, the flying is the easy part!!

http://www2.onlinecontest.org/olcphp...c=olc-usa&spr=
en&dclp=e2bbaec84a6dbb235317f568028cc499#2

If you scroll down the attached link...directions included(which
I have not tried yet)...for validation from Cambridge
loggers.

Oh boy, we get to return to the world of DOS....as
with badge attempts, the flying is the easy part!!

This is correct. No problem with 302. Problem is with 20/25.


Bob Fidler wrote:
I believe you can download a log from a 302 to a pda using the Cambridge
Utility software, use that log to submit a flight to OLC and it will be
accepted. A few pilots in Florida this winter has used that method and the
flights have been accepted.

Downloads from a Model 20/25 are a different problem.

Bob Fidler

Hi Lorry,

You need to go to the SeeYou website and download a patch to fix your
older version of SeeYou. These are located on the right side under
"other downloads", get OLC 2006 PATCH.

While you are at it, give SeeYou's free program, ConnectMe a try.
Install it on your PDA to download your flights. I like it better than
the Cambridge utility for downloading flights from my 302 and the clubs
Nav 20/25. It's very easy to use.

When you do send your flight to the OLC make sure that it is the file
you took off the data logger, not the flight log recorded by your
navigation/soar software running on the PDA. These are not secure and
will give the dreaded RED FLAG. There may be two logs for your flight
in the folder "flights". One is the log recorded by the program running
on the PDA and the other will be the file downloaded by ConnectMe and
placed in the "flights" folder.

If you get a RED flag, you sent OLC the wrong file. Delete it from OLC
and send the other one. Note the file name; it should have the serial
number of your logger in it. That'll point you in the right direction
for your next claim.

Hope this helps,

Gunnar

At 16:30 23 March 2006, Gunnar wrote:
Hi Lorry,

You need to go to the SeeYou website and download a
patch to fix your
older version of SeeYou. These are located on the right
side under
'other downloads', get OLC 2006 PATCH.


If your SeeYou is version 2.x, the patch does not work.
You can only submit by using the OLC site and entering
data manually. It is a minor pain. And last year
everything was so slick...

Ian

Greg Arnold wrote:
The OLC's love of pointless technology is well illustrated by
the 5 numbers you now must type in when you want to view a flight log.

I am making an assumption here, and it would be nice if an OLC
representative could respond...

The extra step needed to download a log is probably an attempt to
reduce the bandwidth of downloads from the site. It could be that they
were experiencing problems of folks downloading too many logs - maybe
with automated software.

Their solution was to use an interface that requires a human to view a
graphic and decode the text displayed before proceeding. There is also
a limit of 10 downloads a day as a friend who was having some usage
problems discovered a few weeks ago.

The limit of 10, if still there, could prove to be an issue for a club
where more than 10 flights are made in a day and one wants to compare
what happened between friends who all submit logs.

As for the issue of the G record, I agree that until it's proven that
someone is actually cheating, an "insecure" log should just be flagged
as such, and not denied.

-Tom