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NTSB Preliminary report on HPN crash
Tom Fleischman k wrote:
If you want to read something really disturbing, this is it. Is there something specific that is disturbing, or are you referring to the entire report? I read through it and, while it is always disturbing when an accident results in fatalities, I honestly didn't see anything that stuck out as *really disturbing* such as drugs, alcohol, or a blatant mistake. What did I miss? -- Peter ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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How about why is an instructor taking a primary student, he doesn't even
have a pp-asel, up in 200- 1/2 with a 0 temp/dew point spread? "Peter R." wrote in message ... Tom Fleischman k wrote: If you want to read something really disturbing, this is it. Is there something specific that is disturbing, or are you referring to the entire report? I read through it and, while it is always disturbing when an accident results in fatalities, I honestly didn't see anything that stuck out as *really disturbing* such as drugs, alcohol, or a blatant mistake. What did I miss? -- Peter ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Steve S wrote:
How about why is an instructor taking a primary student, he doesn't even have a pp-asel, up in 200- 1/2 with a 0 temp/dew point spread? That fact had been discussed heavily in this group already. I guess I was expecting to read some additional information that was not already mentioned in those long threads. -- Peter ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Maybe I'm missing something as well.
I fail to understand why everyone is making a big deal of this accident, and the coverage it received in the press, when I don't see anything so unusual about either. Certainly the accident is regrettable, and it is highly likely that the final report will come in with PIC error as causal and low IFR weather as contributing. We'll wait and see, but this is most likely. Taking a pre-PPL student up in these conditions for IFR training may be a poor use of the student's time and money, but the CFI is PIC, and if he's current, IFR with lots of experience and lots of recent time, there's nothing so "shocking" about it. If we're lucky, there will be something we can all learn from this accident. But just as likely there will be a sum of circumstances that simply got the better of the crew's resources. Poor judgement to go there under these conditions? Probably - but then IFR is meant to fly in poor conditions, and still leave your options open if it gets below minimums. When the facts are all in, will we end up with the feeling they should have diverted elsewhere? Maybe. I think it's useful to discuss accidents - even typical accidents - as there is something instructive in trying to understand how they let themselves get in too deep (if this turns out to be the case); But I fail to see what is so shocking or unusual about this particular accident, or the press coverage of it. G Faris |
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On Wed, 4 May 2005 22:27:09 -0400, "Steve S"
wrote: How about why is an instructor taking a primary student, he doesn't even have a pp-asel, up in 200- 1/2 with a 0 temp/dew point spread? Where does it say that a pilot needs a pp-asel in order to take instrument instruction? |
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Peter R. wrote:
Tom Fleischman k wrote: If you want to read something really disturbing, this is it. Is there something specific that is disturbing, or are you referring to the entire report? I read through it and, while it is always disturbing when an accident results in fatalities, I honestly didn't see anything that stuck out as *really disturbing* such as drugs, alcohol, or a blatant mistake. What did I miss? My reaction also. Fatal accidents are always disturbing in general, but nothing in particular jumped out of this summary. Matt |
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Steve S wrote:
How about why is an instructor taking a primary student, he doesn't even have a pp-asel, up in 200- 1/2 with a 0 temp/dew point spread? To show him what an instrument approach looks like? If the instructor was qualified and current, this shouldn't have been a problem. Descending below minimums is the problem, it doesn't matter who is flying or who is in the right seat. Matt |
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On Thu, 5 May 2005 06:57:16 -0400, "Steve S"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Wed, 4 May 2005 22:27:09 -0400, "Steve S" wrote: How about why is an instructor taking a primary student, he doesn't even have a pp-asel, up in 200- 1/2 with a 0 temp/dew point spread? Where does it say that a pilot needs a pp-asel in order to take instrument instruction? It's not a question of needing one, just that there is limited benefit, if any, of instrument instruction to a student still learning basic attitude flying, navigation etc. Maybe the student just wanted to see what it was like. Sort of like folks who take aerobatic rides, glider rides, balloon rides. Limited benefit? Who can judge? |
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"Steve S" wrote in message
... How about why is an instructor taking a primary student, he doesn't even have a pp-asel, up in 200- 1/2 with a 0 temp/dew point spread? It's not necessarily unreasonable to show a primary student what LIFR is like, if the student is interested in the experience. (I have a friend who's a lapsed student pilot who wants to come along sometime when I shoot approaches in IMC. I'm happy to oblige, and I'm not even a CFI.) The reported winds were benign, and the reported ceiling and visibility were adequate for the approach. It should've been easy for a competent instrument pilot. But given the low-altitude alert and the apparently continued low altitude until impact, it seems conceivable that the instructor was actually letting the student fly the approach, and failed to take control when the plane got dangerously low. --Gary |
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