How's this for a Tower/Pilot exchange in an Emergency?

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

An immediate clear request would have helped.

Well, it was clear to the transcriber; has anybody heard the actual
tape? Apparently it wasn't clear to the controller.



The transcriber has the advantage of being able to play the tape over and over
again until he/she gets it.



I got to hear the recording on the local news as the pilot was from this
area. He sounded urgent but not panicked. Being a low-time private
pilot when I heard "we've lost AN engine" would've led me to believe it
was a multi. BTW, led my wife in her limited GA knowledge to think the
same. I never heard him declare an emergency, never heard mayday, never
heard even pan pan pan. He requested vectors back and got them. Once
he said "we're going in the drink" the controller told him they were
sending someone out (it was apparent to me they knew where he was).
When the crash occurred, the story here was that the local Sheriff's
Dept and Coast Guard responded but halted after a day because of bad
weather.

Chris

"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message

I guess I see it differently... What he needed was a direction to turn
and he didn't get that immediately.

At the first indication of a problem, he lost his situational awareness,
stopped thinking, had no plan to revert to, and called for ATC to save his
bacon. In short, he panicked. Training should have either caught this
propensity, or obviated it. In any event, he had at his disposal all the
information (and, I think, altitude) needed to save himself, but he
panicked. You simply can't transfer the blame for that to ATC. A sad case,
'tis true, but there's no one here who needs to be told that the penalty for
unpreparedness can be severe.

"Steven P. McNicoll" writes:

"David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message
...

An immediate clear request would have helped.


Well, it was clear to the transcriber; has anybody heard the actual
tape? Apparently it wasn't clear to the controller.


To what do you refer?

The transcript shows a clear request. However it also shows the
controller responding "say it again", so it either wasn't clear to the
controller for technical reasons (radio sound quality) or else it
wasn't clear to the controller because he was doing something else
when the communication came in (I understand this to be a normal part
of the job; I believe you don't work just one frequency, and sometimes
need to talk on the phone or in person to other controllers, and
probably other distractions as well). I'm just wondering which --
mere curiosity, neither result would indicate any error on the
controller's part.
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"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message

You'll find the transcript posted at www.ajc.com (the Atlanta Journal).

A sign of the times in 21st century US of A... (or is it just
Georgia?)......

Go to the link above provided by Kyle. Check out the photo on the left of
the closing ceremony at the Olympics, with performers lowering themselves
from the roof inside the stadium. Note the caption, stating "...Performers
repel from the roof of Olympic Stadium during closing ceremonies...".
Doesn't anyone check anything anymore?

:-)

"David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message
...

The transcript shows a clear request.


I don't think so.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message news:Vt-

Too late..... gone.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message news:Vt-

Too late..... gone.

The AJC isn't exactly a top shelf newspaper. Unfortunately, it is the only
one in Atlanta that covers the entire city/state.

Sometimes they even get their facts straight.

;-)