Student practices landing with gear up

Jim Macklin wrote:

Yes, about 15-17 inches,


No. In the Bo the gear horn should never sound while the MP is in the
green.

"Peter R." wrote in message
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john smith wrote:

Wow! That must be something to watch! 50 feet per second vertical rate
of descent on landing! I didn't know Bonanza gear was that stout!
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Some of you are so anal it makes me want to return to the bathroom for a
second wipe job to see what I am missing.

LOL! Thanks, I needed that!

Comedians out of work everywhere, and some people here are still trying to
be funny! g
--
Jim in NC

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"Peter R." wrote:

john smith wrote:

Wow! That must be something to watch! 50 feet per second vertical rate
of descent on landing! I didn't know Bonanza gear was that stout!
snip

Some of you are so anal it makes me want to return to the bathroom for a
second wipe job to see what I am missing.

And some are so anal they don't recognize a joke with a smiley! :-))

Peter R. wrote:
Peter Duniho wrote:


As for the warning horn, most retractable gear airplanes are equipped with
gear warning horns, and pilots frequently manage to ignore them

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With regards to my Bonanza, this horn is practically useless as it will
only sound when manifold pressure drops below 12 inches, well below the
green arc on the MP gauge (implying that for the majority of the approach
the horn would be silent).

It is not until power is pulled almost all the way back, which in my case
typically is less than 50 feet above the runway or about a second before
touchdown.

You must be ex-Navy if you are touching down with a 3,000 fpm rate of
descent (50 ft x 60 s/min).

Matt

Peter R. wrote:

Jose wrote:


It is not until power is pulled almost all the way back, which in my case
typically is less than 50 feet above the runway or about a second before
touchdown.

You land with a vertical speed of fifty feet per second? I don't think
it matters whether it's gear up or down at that point!


LESS than. I guess the tears in your eyes from your uncontrollable
laughter perhaps prevented you from reading that part.


Even if it was half that, 25 fps is still 1500 fpm, which is a pretty
hefty rate of descent that close to the runway. I probably take 6 or
more seconds from 50 feet to touchdown.


Matt

I think you're talking mph. In any case, being too fast
makes a proper landing difficult. 1.3 Vso is perfectly
safe. Be sure to adjust for actual landing weight.


"Newps" wrote in message
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| In my S35 the gear horn start at about 13-14 inches.
Bottom of the
| green is 15 inches. I reduce to 15 inches about 5 miles
out. My gear
| speed is 165 but I like to be around 145 or less to save
wear and tear.
| After putting some time on my Bo this last 11 months I am
convinced
| that many gear ups happen because pilots don't slow down
enough in the
| pattern. I have a hard time getting below 100 without
putting the gear
| down. I know Bonanza pilots who are deathly afraid to
ever get below
| 100 unless their wheels are inches from the ground.
|
|
|
| Peter R. wrote:
|
| Peter Duniho wrote:
|
|
| As for the warning horn, most retractable gear airplanes
are equipped with
| gear warning horns, and pilots frequently manage to
ignore them
|
| snip
|
| With regards to my Bonanza, this horn is practically
useless as it will
| only sound when manifold pressure drops below 12 inches,
well below the
| green arc on the MP gauge (implying that for the
majority of the approach
| the horn would be silent).
|
| It is not until power is pulled almost all the way back,
which in my case
| typically is less than 50 feet above the runway or about
a second before
| touchdown.
|
|

Kingfish wrote:

Jose wrote:

You land with a vertical speed of fifty feet per second? I don't think
it matters whether it's gear up or down at that point!


Heh. I recall the first time I landed an Aerostar. I swore the main
gear struts were gonna punch through the top of the wings. Damn high
wing loading...


High wing loading doesn't cause bad landings. :-)

Matt

Peter R. wrote:

john smith wrote:


Wow! That must be something to watch! 50 feet per second vertical rate
of descent on landing! I didn't know Bonanza gear was that stout!

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Some of you are so anal it makes me want to return to the bathroom for a
second wipe job to see what I am missing.

And some write before they think giving us lots of material.

Matt

15 is the bottom of the green, I like 17 because going below
that can shock cool the cylinders. 12-13 is too low because
some times you might be committing to a landing, [soft
field] with more power than that. Just my preference.


"Newps" wrote in message
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|
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
|
| Yes, about 15-17 inches,
|
|
| No. In the Bo the gear horn should never sound while the
MP is in the
| green.
|
|
|

In article j3Svg.78949$ZW3.42799@dukeread04,
"Jim Macklin" wrote:

15 is the bottom of the green, I like 17 because going below
that can shock cool the cylinders. 12-13 is too low because
some times you might be committing to a landing, [soft
field] with more power than that. Just my preference.

IIRC, the Cutlass/C172RG is set to go off at 15-inches MP.