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Old June 29th 08, 03:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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muff528 wrote:


Yep, 43° C (109 f.) WOULD be extremely uncomfortable at 3000'. But it
probably not that hot at 3000 if it's 43C on the ground.


Do you fly?


I don't actually drive the airplane, although I have in the past taken
controls of a Tri-Pacer and a Cherokee for extended distances while flying
places with my boss back in the 70's.

TP


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Old June 29th 08, 04:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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muff528 wrote:

I don't actually drive the airplane, although I have in the past taken
controls of a Tri-Pacer and a Cherokee for extended distances while flying
places with my boss back in the 70's.


So you're not familiar with winds & temp aloft charts, etc...?

The standard rate of temperature drop is more common than you're thinking.
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Old June 29th 08, 04:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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Yep. Roughly 3.5°F per 1000' or 7°C per 1000m. Unless you are in frikkin
California right now where there is an inversion layer trapping all this GD
smoke and making it a hellhole to live in. And I **AM** at 3000' MSL at
home (the contour line runs right through the garden).

Jim

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"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."
--Aristotle


"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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muff528 wrote:
I don't actually drive the airplane, although I have in the past taken
controls of a Tri-Pacer and a Cherokee for extended distances while
flying places with my boss back in the 70's.


So you're not familiar with winds & temp aloft charts, etc...?

The standard rate of temperature drop is more common than you're thinking.



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Old June 29th 08, 04:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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Stealth Pilot writes:

on the contrary it is a hell of a lot of fun.
just how long do you think it stays 43 C when you are flying for real?


Most of the flight, at moderate altitudes, or at least it stays too hot for
most of the flight. My baron has an "air conditioning" switch, but it's not
clear whether or not this is the real thing, since the real thing requires a
compressor.
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Old June 29th 08, 04:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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muff528 wrote:
I don't actually drive the airplane, although I have in the past taken
controls of a Tri-Pacer and a Cherokee for extended distances while
flying places with my boss back in the 70's.


So you're not familiar with winds & temp aloft charts, etc...?

The standard rate of temperature drop is more common than you're thinking.


No, I haven't studied such charts, etc. beyond any incidental interest. I
guess I shouldn't have given specific numbers. My point only is that it gets
cooler as you go higher. Yes, barring inversions, etc., the standard rate
should hold true. Also, on the ground, the heat a person feels is not only
the air temperature (that is warmed by radiation from the ground). He also
feels heat from that radiation directly. So with 43C air temperature at the
ground, the person is going to feel hotter than 43C air temp at some
distance from the ground radiation.


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Old June 29th 08, 04:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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muff528 writes:

I doubt it would be uncomfortably hot at 3-4000 feet if it's 43° C on the
ground. Maybe you're flying too close to the ground.


The difference would only be a few degrees at 4000 feet, and that's not enough
when the temperature at the surface is 43° C. Additionally, the temperature
inside the aircraft would be higher at all times.
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Old June 29th 08, 04:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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muff528 writes:

Yep, 43° C (109 f.) WOULD be extremely uncomfortable at 3000'. But it
probably not that hot at 3000 if it's 43C on the ground.


So it would be 40° C, which isn't significantly better.
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Old June 29th 08, 04:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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muff528 writes:

If it's still too hot at 3000 feet just go higher till you cool off! You're
in an airplane!


In this case, the service ceiling of the aircraft would make it difficult to
cool off by climbing.
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Old June 29th 08, 05:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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In a standard atmosphere, 43C at sea level would translate to 35C at
4000MSL.

Jim

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"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."
--Aristotle


"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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muff528 writes:

I doubt it would be uncomfortably hot at 3-4000 feet if it's 43° C on the
ground. Maybe you're flying too close to the ground.


The difference would only be a few degrees at 4000 feet, and that's not
enough
when the temperature at the surface is 43° C. Additionally, the
temperature
inside the aircraft would be higher at all times.



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Old June 29th 08, 05:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
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"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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Yep. Roughly 3.5°F per 1000' or 7°C per 1000m. Unless you are in frikkin
California right now where there is an inversion layer trapping all this
GD smoke and making it a hellhole to live in. And I **AM** at 3000' MSL
at home (the contour line runs right through the garden).

Jim


You're at 3000 MSL but you are at 0' AGL. I'd just about bet that it feels
hotter at your house than some distance away where the air temp at that
altitude is the same but 3000' MSL is also 2500'AGL. Add to that the fact
that there is an inversion layer and the fact that you live in Calif and I
imagine it is pretty miserable where you live :-)

TP


 




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