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Old November 3rd 19, 09:04 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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We at Gliding International have just completed a three months study on the accident sitution in regard to our sport. We have examined (in detail) the 96 reported accidents which show that our problematic area of soaring flight relates to the landing phase.

We took note of all accidents from 1/1/2019 to 31/08/2019 which indicates for sure (on the conservative side) that fatalities for the calendar year of 2019 will be 43. No organisation or sport should turn a blind eye to what is obviously a totally unacceptable situation.

We haven't got an answer to this problem but we are open to discussion and be a catalyst for change.

Also in our November issue is a report from Sebastian Kawa who has personally set out to explain his recent serious accident. An uphill landing into a very questionable landing zone with no options. He must be complimented for writing his report on the accident for our sport enthusiasts. He tells all how to avoid a repetition of the problem. Basically the accident emanated from the failure of his motor to start. He has quoted the number of experiences he has personally experienced with motor failures and has started a war on brands of motors that must be regarded as totally unreliable.

JOHN ROAKE
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Old November 3rd 19, 01:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Paul T[_4_]
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Default GLIDING INTERNATIONAL -- RESEARCH

At 08:04 03 November 2019, wrote:
We at Gliding International have just completed a three months

study on
the=
accident sitution in regard to our sport. We have examined (in

detail)
th=
e 96 reported accidents which show that our problematic area of

soaring
fl=
ight relates to the landing phase.

We took note of all accidents from 1/1/2019 to 31/08/2019 which

indicates
f=
or sure (on the conservative side) that fatalities for the calendar

year
of=
2019 will be 43. No organisation or sport should turn a blind eye

to
what=
is obviously a totally unacceptable situation.

We haven't got an answer to this problem but we are open to

discussion and
=
be a catalyst for change.

Also in our November issue is a report from Sebastian Kawa who

has
personal=
ly set out to explain his recent serious accident. An uphill landing

into
=
a very questionable landing zone with no options. He must be

complimented
=
for writing his report on the accident for our sport enthusiasts. He

tells
=
all how to avoid a repetition of the problem. Basically the accident
emanat=
ed from the failure of his motor to start. He has quoted the

number of
exp=
eriences he has personally experienced with motor failures and has

started
=
a war on brands of motors that must be regarded as totally

unreliable.

JOHN ROAKE
EDITOR


One should never rely on the motor to start.........

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Old November 3rd 19, 03:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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"No organisation or sport should turn a blind eye to what is obviously a totally unacceptable situation."
It is acceptable otherwise we wouldn't do it. If it is totally unacceptable we should have an immediate indefinite worldwide glider grounding. Be careful how you think and speak about these things.
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Old November 3rd 19, 04:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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The engine's failure to start did not cause the accident.* The reliance
on the engine to start was one link in the accident chain.

On 11/3/2019 5:23 AM, Paul T wrote:
At 08:04 03 November 2019, wrote:
We at Gliding International have just completed a three months

study on
the=
accident sitution in regard to our sport. We have examined (in

detail)
th=
e 96 reported accidents which show that our problematic area of

soaring
fl=
ight relates to the landing phase.

We took note of all accidents from 1/1/2019 to 31/08/2019 which

indicates
f=
or sure (on the conservative side) that fatalities for the calendar

year
of=
2019 will be 43. No organisation or sport should turn a blind eye

to
what=
is obviously a totally unacceptable situation.

We haven't got an answer to this problem but we are open to

discussion and
=
be a catalyst for change.

Also in our November issue is a report from Sebastian Kawa who

has
personal=
ly set out to explain his recent serious accident. An uphill landing

into
=
a very questionable landing zone with no options. He must be

complimented
=
for writing his report on the accident for our sport enthusiasts. He

tells
=
all how to avoid a repetition of the problem. Basically the accident
emanat=
ed from the failure of his motor to start. He has quoted the

number of
exp=
eriences he has personally experienced with motor failures and has

started
=
a war on brands of motors that must be regarded as totally

unreliable.
JOHN ROAKE
EDITOR

One should never rely on the motor to start.........


--
Dan, 5J
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Old November 3rd 19, 05:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
jfitch
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On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 7:49:12 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
The engine's failure to start did not cause the accident.* The reliance
on the engine to start was one link in the accident chain.

On 11/3/2019 5:23 AM, Paul T wrote:
At 08:04 03 November 2019, wrote:
We at Gliding International have just completed a three months

study on
the=
accident sitution in regard to our sport. We have examined (in

detail)
th=
e 96 reported accidents which show that our problematic area of

soaring
fl=
ight relates to the landing phase.

We took note of all accidents from 1/1/2019 to 31/08/2019 which

indicates
f=
or sure (on the conservative side) that fatalities for the calendar

year
of=
2019 will be 43. No organisation or sport should turn a blind eye

to
what=
is obviously a totally unacceptable situation.

We haven't got an answer to this problem but we are open to

discussion and
=
be a catalyst for change.

Also in our November issue is a report from Sebastian Kawa who

has
personal=
ly set out to explain his recent serious accident. An uphill landing

into
=
a very questionable landing zone with no options. He must be

complimented
=
for writing his report on the accident for our sport enthusiasts. He

tells
=
all how to avoid a repetition of the problem. Basically the accident
emanat=
ed from the failure of his motor to start. He has quoted the

number of
exp=
eriences he has personally experienced with motor failures and has

started
=
a war on brands of motors that must be regarded as totally

unreliable.
JOHN ROAKE
EDITOR

One should never rely on the motor to start.........


--
Dan, 5J


From the Schleicher ASH26E manual: "The powerplant of a powered sailplane must not be regarded as life insurance, for instance when crossing unlandable areas. One must always be prepared for the possibility that the engine will fail to deliver the hoped for propulsion". This was a clear case of pilot error, the sailplane performed as expected.
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Old November 3rd 19, 07:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 3:04:36 AM UTC-5, wrote:
We at Gliding International have just completed a three months study on the accident sitution in regard to our sport. We have examined (in detail) the 96 reported accidents which show that our problematic area of soaring flight relates to the landing phase.

We took note of all accidents from 1/1/2019 to 31/08/2019 which indicates for sure (on the conservative side) that fatalities for the calendar year of 2019 will be 43. No organisation or sport should turn a blind eye to what is obviously a totally unacceptable situation.

We haven't got an answer to this problem but we are open to discussion and be a catalyst for change.

Also in our November issue is a report from Sebastian Kawa who has personally set out to explain his recent serious accident. An uphill landing into a very questionable landing zone with no options. He must be complimented for writing his report on the accident for our sport enthusiasts. He tells all how to avoid a repetition of the problem. Basically the accident emanated from the failure of his motor to start. He has quoted the number of experiences he has personally experienced with motor failures and has started a war on brands of motors that must be regarded as totally unreliable.

JOHN ROAKE
EDITOR


The accident did not emanate from the failure of the motor to start. The accident emanated from the fact that the pilot entered into a situation in which there was not a security field for landing within reach of the glider.
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Old November 3rd 19, 08:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 11:56:52 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 3:04:36 AM UTC-5, wrote:
We at Gliding International have just completed a three months study on the accident sitution in regard to our sport. We have examined (in detail) the 96 reported accidents which show that our problematic area of soaring flight relates to the landing phase.

We took note of all accidents from 1/1/2019 to 31/08/2019 which indicates for sure (on the conservative side) that fatalities for the calendar year of 2019 will be 43. No organisation or sport should turn a blind eye to what is obviously a totally unacceptable situation.

We haven't got an answer to this problem but we are open to discussion and be a catalyst for change.

Also in our November issue is a report from Sebastian Kawa who has personally set out to explain his recent serious accident. An uphill landing into a very questionable landing zone with no options. He must be complimented for writing his report on the accident for our sport enthusiasts. He tells all how to avoid a repetition of the problem. Basically the accident emanated from the failure of his motor to start. He has quoted the number of experiences he has personally experienced with motor failures and has started a war on brands of motors that must be regarded as totally unreliable.

JOHN ROAKE
EDITOR


The accident did not emanate from the failure of the motor to start. The accident emanated from the fact that the pilot entered into a situation in which there was not a security field for landing within reach of the glider.

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Old November 3rd 19, 08:58 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Darryl Ramm
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On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 11:26:11 AM UTC-8, Mike C wrote:
On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 11:56:52 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 3:04:36 AM UTC-5, wrote:
We at Gliding International have just completed a three months study on the accident sitution in regard to our sport. We have examined (in detail) the 96 reported accidents which show that our problematic area of soaring flight relates to the landing phase.

We took note of all accidents from 1/1/2019 to 31/08/2019 which indicates for sure (on the conservative side) that fatalities for the calendar year of 2019 will be 43. No organisation or sport should turn a blind eye to what is obviously a totally unacceptable situation.

We haven't got an answer to this problem but we are open to discussion and be a catalyst for change.

Also in our November issue is a report from Sebastian Kawa who has personally set out to explain his recent serious accident. An uphill landing into a very questionable landing zone with no options. He must be complimented for writing his report on the accident for our sport enthusiasts. He tells all how to avoid a repetition of the problem. Basically the accident emanated from the failure of his motor to start. He has quoted the number of experiences he has personally experienced with motor failures and has started a war on brands of motors that must be regarded as totally unreliable..

JOHN ROAKE
EDITOR


The accident did not emanate from the failure of the motor to start. The accident emanated from the fact that the pilot entered into a situation in which there was not a security field for landing within reach of the glider.


I thought that electric systems were very dependable.

Mike


So what?

Nobody is saying they are not. Even if you think a motorglider/sustainer engine will start reliably do you think it's sensible to assume it absolutely will and not have a landout option/plan B?

This is the most elementary basic safe operation of a motorglider 101 stuff..

Pretty stupid wording on "cause" used by Gliding International.
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Old November 3rd 19, 09:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dave Nadler
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On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 2:58:29 PM UTC-5, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Nobody is saying they are not. Even if you think a motorglider/sustainer
engine will start reliably do you think it's sensible to assume it absolutely
will and not have a landout option/plan B?

This is the most elementary basic safe operation of a motorglider 101 stuff.


No, you are flying a GLIDER.
**Plan A** must always be a safe land-out.
Plan B is in the event everything works as intended,
which certainly does not always happen...
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Old November 3rd 19, 09:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 2:26:11 PM UTC-5, Mike C wrote:
I thought that electric systems were very dependable.


Really? Have I got a deal for you!!
 




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