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Learning from an owner annual
After 6 years of Mooney ownership I'm doing my first owner assisted
annual. Most of my previous annuals have been done by factory service centers. I'm quite a good wrench around cars so this experience is mostly about me learning the standards & practices of aircraft work. I'm amazed by a couple things... 1) The number of things I found that were not done that I'd paid to have done at previous annuals. 2) The number of things done wrong (like no cotter key in the wheel). 3) The amount of work an annual really requires. It took me 6 hours just to remove all the inspection panels (including drilling out several dozen screws). Lubing the 150 lube points wont go too quick either. Its also interesting to me how many things are safety wired while other things (that seem more important) are not. Brake calapers are safety wired but fuel lines are not, etc. Its quite depressing to see my plane in so many pieces. I've also discovered that its extreamly irritating that the aircraft parts places are closed on weekends. I would highly recommend this experience to any aircraft owner who is comfortable with a wrench. -Robert |
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Learning from an owner annual
Good maintenance takes time and time equals money. There is
too much poor maintenance, sometimes because the aircraft owner just doesn't have the money to do the work and sometimes because the shop, trying to keep cost down cuts corners. All aircraft owners should have the basic library of the shop manuals and FAA regs in parts 43 and 91. The FAA manual 43.13 [latest edition and all parts] as well as some of the mechanics handbooks that are on the commercial market will help the owner do a better job and save money [and maybe lives] in the long run. You will understand more about your airplane, why certain parts are cheaper to replace anytime you have access to them, such as alternator belts when the prop is off. You'll know why it costs $30 in labor to put 15 cents worth of grease in a landing gear bushing. As you're doing the owner assisted annual, have the A&P point out the things you can do as an owner as preventative maintenance and how to make the logbook entry. Things like lubrication and cleaning, replacing light bulbs and such will save you money and reduce wear and tear on the airplane. You have to use the right grease and oils, not 3 in 1 from the grocery store. You can also get some aircraft grade cotter pins and safety wire and replace those that are damaged or missing. Buy your A&P some of his favorite ______ or take him [and maybe his wife too] to a nice place to eat, like Outback or whatever is good locally. Say Thank You, mechanics don't hear that often enough. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ups.com... | After 6 years of Mooney ownership I'm doing my first owner assisted | annual. Most of my previous annuals have been done by factory service | centers. I'm quite a good wrench around cars so this experience is | mostly about me learning the standards & practices of aircraft work. | I'm amazed by a couple things... | 1) The number of things I found that were not done that I'd paid to | have done at previous annuals. | 2) The number of things done wrong (like no cotter key in the wheel). | 3) The amount of work an annual really requires. It took me 6 hours | just to remove all the inspection panels (including drilling out | several dozen screws). Lubing the 150 lube points wont go too quick | either. | | Its also interesting to me how many things are safety wired while other | things (that seem more important) are not. Brake calapers are safety | wired but fuel lines are not, etc. Its quite depressing to see my plane | in so many pieces. I've also discovered that its extreamly irritating | that the aircraft parts places are closed on weekends. | | I would highly recommend this experience to any aircraft owner who is | comfortable with a wrench. | | -Robert | |
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Robert M. Gary wrote:
I would highly recommend this experience to any aircraft owner who is comfortable with a wrench. -Robert I couldn't agree more. Knowing more about the aircraft systems will make you more aware of potential problems. You'll be a safer pilot because you inspect and test things more intelligently. |
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1) The number of things I found that were not done that I'd paid to
have done at previous annuals. Yep, I found that when I got started, too. (I recently finished my 8th owner-assisted annual) 2) The number of things done wrong (like no cotter key in the wheel). Yep. And wires poorly routed in the engine compartment. And heat ducts carpeted over. The list was fairly extensive. 3) The amount of work an annual really requires. It took me 6 hours just to remove all the inspection panels (including drilling out several dozen screws). This seems odd, Robert. Is your plane parked outside? Why would those inspection panel screws be so corroded? Unless...were they never removed recently? (More work undone-but-paid-for?) I strip a fair number of screws every year -- but I've NEVER had to drill any out on either of the planes we've owned. Its quite depressing to see my plane in so many pieces. I've also discovered that its extreamly irritating that the aircraft parts places are closed on weekends. What I like is when you have everything in neat little tupperware cups underneath the appropriate parts of the plane -- and then the shop moves the plane. Or they pull an extension cord under your plane, and lasso all the parts buckets. Or they get kicked over. THAT is my pet peeve about doing an annual. I would highly recommend this experience to any aircraft owner who is comfortable with a wrench. Agree 100%. I have a voluminous knowledge of the inner workings of my aircraft, solely because of doing the owner-assisted annuals. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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After 6 years of Mooney ownership I'm doing my first owner assisted annual. After 13 years of ownership, this will be the 12th owner assisted annual for me. Having a fixed gear, fixed pitch prop single makes the job fairly easy. I do any and all required maintenance with the same wrench BEFORE bringing the plane in for annual. But alas, my old friend says this year will be his last. He is in his 80s and hanging up the wrench. The search begins. It will be difficult to even find someone willing to do this, let alone finding someone compatible. Mike |
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Buy a [big] box or two of slide-lock baggies, put the
parts, with a label and tape them to the area near the inspection cover. You can even add notes to yourself or the other mechanic who is working on the airplane. I've heard of owners replacing the standard fasteners with nice shiny stainless steel screws. Trouble is you can get dissimilar metal galvanic reactions and then you have to drill them out. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "Jay Honeck" wrote in message oups.com... | 1) The number of things I found that were not done that I'd paid to | have done at previous annuals. | | Yep, I found that when I got started, too. (I recently finished my 8th | owner-assisted annual) | | 2) The number of things done wrong (like no cotter key in the wheel). | | Yep. And wires poorly routed in the engine compartment. And heat | ducts carpeted over. The list was fairly extensive. | | 3) The amount of work an annual really requires. It took me 6 hours | just to remove all the inspection panels (including drilling out | several dozen screws). | | This seems odd, Robert. Is your plane parked outside? Why would those | inspection panel screws be so corroded? Unless...were they never | removed recently? (More work undone-but-paid-for?) | | I strip a fair number of screws every year -- but I've NEVER had to | drill any out on either of the planes we've owned. | | Its quite depressing to see my plane | in so many pieces. I've also discovered that its extreamly irritating | that the aircraft parts places are closed on weekends. | | What I like is when you have everything in neat little tupperware cups | underneath the appropriate parts of the plane -- and then the shop | moves the plane. Or they pull an extension cord under your plane, and | lasso all the parts buckets. Or they get kicked over. THAT is my pet | peeve about doing an annual. | | I would highly recommend this experience to any aircraft owner who is | comfortable with a wrench. | | Agree 100%. I have a voluminous knowledge of the inner workings of my | aircraft, solely because of doing the owner-assisted annuals. | -- | Jay Honeck | Iowa City, IA | Pathfinder N56993 | www.AlexisParkInn.com | "Your Aviation Destination" | |
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That will work too. One thing to avoid is taking a cover
plate off and leaving it swung aside and fastened with one screw. You'll certainly walk into it or catch a sleeve and bend the part and maybe injure yourself or the airplane. You can use a Sharpie to write on the back of inspection covers and such, the name and location of each part. You can tag wire but taking digital photos as you go along is easy and besides it documents the work as well as locating the parts. The key is a system. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "B A R R Y" wrote in message ... | On Sun, 14 May 2006 08:08:12 -0500, "Jim Macklin" | wrote: | | Buy a [big] box or two of slide-lock baggies, put the | parts, with a label and tape them to the area near the | inspection cover. You can even add notes to yourself or the | other mechanic who is working on the airplane. | | Another suggestion: | | Our guy has a bunch of "Tupperware" or fishing tackle style divided | organizers. We drop the fasteners in those and label the top with a | Sharpie (ex:// RT wing tip, fwd belly panel, etc... over each | compartment) and the tail number (there's more than one plane in the | hangar). After each plane is complete, the mechanic wipes the tops of | the containers with alcohol, removing the marker for the next plane. | |
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Learning from an owner annual
On 14 May 2006 03:37:06 -0700, "Jay Honeck"
wrote: This seems odd, Robert. Is your plane parked outside? Why would those inspection panel screws be so corroded? Unless...were they never removed recently? (More work undone-but-paid-for?) I strip a fair number of screws every year -- but I've NEVER had to drill any out on either of the planes we've owned. Dude, you really need to take a good look at the underside of a Mooney, especially an older one. You just "think" a PA28 has a lot of screws. Unless things have changed a whole bunch, they are mostly countersunk machine screws, opposed to your universal head PK screws. Really ups the temptation for a tech/owner to use power tools to crank the **** out them when closing up. Makes me shudder just thinking about it.. What I like is when you have everything in neat little tupperware cups underneath the appropriate parts of the plane -- and then the shop moves the plane. Or they pull an extension cord under your plane, and lasso all the parts buckets. Or they get kicked over. THAT is my pet peeve about doing an annual. Mine is wheels off for inspection, somebody steps on the pedals and blows out the wheel cylinder pistons. I would highly recommend this experience to any aircraft owner who is comfortable with a wrench. Agree 100%. I have a voluminous knowledge of the inner workings of my aircraft, solely because of doing the owner-assisted annuals. In my case, the transition from allegedly mucho-experienced tech to private pilot was definitely made a lot easier by having in-depth knowledge of aircraft systems. TC |
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Our first annual on the Aztec was last June, this year's is coming up and I
can guarantee you that there will be plenty of things done before we get it in the shop. Right now I'm about 20 hours into replacing the brake linings and repacking the wheel bearings. Some of the extra things that we do will also have to be done at annual, but many of them become simple inspections rather than tear down and replacements. Last year the shop labor for the annual we paid for amounted to 39 hours, most of this was to install a new windshield, not really a repair or part of the annual, just a handy time to do it. My partners and I each put almost twice as many hours into the annual. We worked from dawn to dusk for 6 days straight. Granted, it took the "amateurs" a lot longer to do many of the tasks, but it was well worth the effort. Total cost of our annual last year was $2400. This year I hope it's even less. Without our time, effort, and on going maintenance it would have easily have been over $8000. Once you loose the apprehension about wrenching on your own airplane, you'll quickly learn volumes about it. I'd highly recommend buying copies of the parts and maintenance manuals. Mine have their own dedicated table in my house and lay open 24/7. Talk to your A&P about preventative maintenance and working under his supervision. You'll save a ton of $$ and get a very rewarding education along the way. Jim "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ups.com... After 6 years of Mooney ownership I'm doing my first owner assisted annual. Most of my previous annuals have been done by factory service centers. I'm quite a good wrench around cars so this experience is mostly about me learning the standards & practices of aircraft work. I'm amazed by a couple things... 1) The number of things I found that were not done that I'd paid to have done at previous annuals. 2) The number of things done wrong (like no cotter key in the wheel). 3) The amount of work an annual really requires. It took me 6 hours just to remove all the inspection panels (including drilling out several dozen screws). Lubing the 150 lube points wont go too quick either. Its also interesting to me how many things are safety wired while other things (that seem more important) are not. Brake calapers are safety wired but fuel lines are not, etc. Its quite depressing to see my plane in so many pieces. I've also discovered that its extreamly irritating that the aircraft parts places are closed on weekends. I would highly recommend this experience to any aircraft owner who is comfortable with a wrench. -Robert |
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That will work too. One thing to avoid is taking a cover
plate off and leaving it swung aside and fastened with one screw. I don't think that can happen on a Mooney. The access panels are inches off the ground. There almost was not enough room for both me and the drill to work under the plane at the same time. |
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