The ethanol nightmare has arrived!

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact
that
ethanol is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various
politicians who are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'.

Boy, you ain't kidding. Here in Iowa, we're seeing ethanol plants
pop up everywhere, like daisies. (The only thing being built
faster
is casinos -- we now have 19 casinos in a state with less
population
than Metro Chicago!)

That's why I'm so glad I moved almost 200 miles further east - it's
a
great opportunity to expand my "territory" !

I keep wondering what in the hell is going to happen to all these
plants, built in all these communities, when the ethanol bubble
bursts. It's just another gummint scam.

They'll be the "ghost towns" of the 21st century. The gummint will
spend more $$$billions to "re-locate" the inhabitants.


Wow, the sum of your's and Jay's IQ's combined are somehow less than
they are independantly. Amazing. How do you do that?

Bertie

It involves "animal magnetism".

Number One



Or maybe it's like mixing count Chocula and Lucky charms together.
Independantly they taste awful, together.. yech.


Bertie

M writes:

Remember, ethanol is not mixed into the fuel until the local
distribution terminal, because it can't be transported in pipelines.

Just out of curiosity, why can't it be transported in pipelines?

Mxsmanic wrote:
M writes:

Remember, ethanol is not mixed into the fuel until the local
distribution terminal, because it can't be transported in pipelines.

Just out of curiosity, why can't it be transported in pipelines?

The same reason it can't be used in existing airplanes; pieces of the
plumbing start leaking.


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Jim Pennino

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I have already
seen the news coverage regarding corn ethanol turning largely negative
in the last month or so.

Me, too -- and that is a VERY good thing.

Although my fellow Iowans vehemently disagree, naturally. The change from
"poverty-stricken" to "millionaires" has been a good one for farmers.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Apr 8, 9:59*am, "pgbnh" wrote:
Take a look at last week's Time magazine cover article on the great myth of
ethanol. It turns out that the list of 'unintended consequences' is quite
long and the net effect of increased ethanol usage is far more damaging to
the environment than the use of oil-based fuels. (This does not address the
damage to engines, the decreased performance (which means more fuel burned),
impact on other commodities, etc etc).

In the words of Castro "Now those damn Americans are putting our food
in their cars".

-robert

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
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I have already
seen the news coverage regarding corn ethanol turning largely
negative in the last month or so.

Me, too -- and that is a VERY good thing.


How the **** would you know, you moron? you don't know the first thing
about any aspect of energy.

Although my fellow Iowans vehemently disagree, naturally. The change
from "poverty-stricken" to "millionaires" has been a good one for
farmers.


You're an idiot.


Bertie

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Mxsmanic wrote:
M writes:

Remember, ethanol is not mixed into the fuel until the local
distribution terminal, because it can't be transported in pipelines.

Just out of curiosity, why can't it be transported in pipelines?

The same reason it can't be used in existing airplanes; pieces of the
plumbing start leaking.



It can be used in existing airplanes. All you need to do is replace
fittings. I've done it. My old Luscombe ran on Ethanol laden mogas.



Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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Mxsmanic wrote:
M writes:

Remember, ethanol is not mixed into the fuel until the local
distribution terminal, because it can't be transported in pipelines.

Just out of curiosity, why can't it be transported in pipelines?

The same reason it can't be used in existing airplanes; pieces of the
plumbing start leaking.



It can be used in existing airplanes. All you need to do is replace
fittings. I've done it. My old Luscombe ran on Ethanol laden mogas.

Then it isn't the existing plumbing, is it?

Depending on what the existing plumbing is made of, you may have to
replace all, some, or none of gaskets, fittings, lines, tanks, and
the carburetor, i.e. everything the fuel touches.


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Jim Pennino

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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Mxsmanic wrote:
M writes:

Remember, ethanol is not mixed into the fuel until the local
distribution terminal, because it can't be transported in
pipelines.

Just out of curiosity, why can't it be transported in pipelines?

The same reason it can't be used in existing airplanes; pieces of
the plumbing start leaking.



It can be used in existing airplanes. All you need to do is replace
fittings. I've done it. My old Luscombe ran on Ethanol laden mogas.

Then it isn't the existing plumbing, is it?

Nope, but it cost about 8 bucks to convert the airplane.

Depending on what the existing plumbing is made of, you may have to
replace all, some, or none of gaskets, fittings, lines, tanks, and
the carburetor, i.e. everything the fuel touches.



Yep, did that. All that was really required was the flexible line from
the firewall to the carb and to ensure the float was a metal one. For
the flexible line we just got a length of automotive line and put
aircraft fittings on the end of it. The system is pretty simple and
fairly devoid of stuff that could be affected.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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Mxsmanic wrote:
M writes:

Remember, ethanol is not mixed into the fuel until the local
distribution terminal, because it can't be transported in
pipelines.

Just out of curiosity, why can't it be transported in pipelines?

The same reason it can't be used in existing airplanes; pieces of
the plumbing start leaking.



It can be used in existing airplanes. All you need to do is replace
fittings. I've done it. My old Luscombe ran on Ethanol laden mogas.

Then it isn't the existing plumbing, is it?

Nope, but it cost about 8 bucks to convert the airplane.

Depending on what the existing plumbing is made of, you may have to
replace all, some, or none of gaskets, fittings, lines, tanks, and
the carburetor, i.e. everything the fuel touches.



Yep, did that. All that was really required was the flexible line from
the firewall to the carb and to ensure the float was a metal one. For
the flexible line we just got a length of automotive line and put
aircraft fittings on the end of it. The system is pretty simple and
fairly devoid of stuff that could be affected.

If the entire GA fleet were built like Luscombes we'd be home free.

What about the last twenty years worth of C-172's, C-182's and PA-28's?


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Jim Pennino

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