DIA on China's new fighter

"PaPa Peng" wrote in message
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China is a long way from militarily being able to threaten the U.S. a
nuke
exchamnge would be bad for the U.S. annhiliation for china.


Grow up Ray. No one is interested in threatening the US. China's
build-up is to neutralize the US's ability to act bullyboy. Read the
most recent post in SMN....."CHINA'S NAVY MAKES "IMPRESSIVE" STRIDES,
SAYS ONI
from [link], "


China's build up is to threaten Taiwan. any attack on Taiwan will be met
with force by the U.S..

Ray O'Hara wrote:
"PaPa Peng" wrote in message
...
China is a long way from militarily being able to threaten the U.S. a
nuke
exchamnge would be bad for the U.S. annhiliation for china.

Grow up Ray. No one is interested in threatening the US. China's
build-up is to neutralize the US's ability to act bullyboy. Read the
most recent post in SMN....."CHINA'S NAVY MAKES "IMPRESSIVE" STRIDES,
SAYS ONI
from [link], "


China's build up is to threaten Taiwan. any attack on Taiwan will be met
with force by the U.S..

Bush was chicken****ting out on that promise and Obama is remaining mum
on it.

On Nov 21, 5:48*am, "dott.Piergiorgio"
wrote:
eatfastnoodle ha scritto:

Anyway, the bottom
line is this theory has never really been seriously tested in real
combat. So before jumping with your two feet into it, it'd be prudent
to hedge your bet by maintaining skills proven to be needed.

'Nam doesn't count ?

Long-range AAM has done a not exactly stellar prestation, and all show
was done by Sidewinders, Atolls, and, indeed, guns...

Nam was 40-50 years ago. Electronics has improved a lot since then
(Just in case you haven't noticed). Today even the gyroscopes and
accelerometers are integrated into Integrated circuits.

On Nov 21, 10:11*pm, PaPa Peng wrote:
China is a long way from militarily being able to threaten the U.S. a nuke
exchamnge would be bad for the U.S. annhiliation for china.

Grow up Ray. *No one is interested in threatening the US. * China's
build-up is to neutralize the US's ability to act bullyboy. *Read the
most recent post in SMN....."CHINA'S NAVY MAKES "IMPRESSIVE" STRIDES,
SAYS ONI
* from [link], "

You guys are making much ado about nothing. Comparing to the US, China
still has to deal with much more serious domestic problem, especially
now China has reached or about to reach the limit on export-led growth
and Chinese domestic infrastructure is already upgraded to the point
where room for further infrastructure investment led growth is also
limited, not to mention the cap placed on China's future growth by
natural resource and what's bound to be serious conflict on trade with
major Chinese trading partners, starting with the US. In sum, China
and Chinese leadership know the biggest problem facing them: how to
untie the ugly messy knot of domestic employment vs limit on resource
vs massive unsustainable trade surplus without tipping the balance
underpinning China's growth: largely stable domestic political
environment and essentially enemyless external environment. Pushing
for urbanization, establishing nation-wide health care system, massive
international scourging for resources, massive investment in
alternative energy and R&D are all taken either to buy more time or as
means to, hopefully, untie the unsustainable path China is trekking on
right now.

The whole process is fraught with risk and is by now means assured of
success, any external instability poses risk to the plan, even
assuming everything goes well and every plan works out as intended,
it'd take decades at the very least to rebalance domestic Chinese
environment and domestic Chinese economy to the point that China is in
a position to assume the risk of engaging in major confrontation
against other major powers. China's political move internationally
since the end of cold war is very clear: do whatever it can to avoid
conflict, do whatever it can to avoid instability that China must deal
with at all cost. For politically reasons, Taiwan is the only place
where if certain turn of event really occurs, China'd have to
intervene whether it's ready or not. For all the political provocation
and push for independence during the 8 years when pro-independence
party was in power in Taiwan, China didn't make any really serious
move against Taiwan, economic exchange went on without much
interruption; lots of acrimonious back and forth, but nothing of any
consequence actually happened; militarily, yeah, China is upgrading
its military, clearly to prepare to fight a war against Taiwan and the
US, but I firmly believe it's more a defensive move, a prepare-for-the-
worst move, it's a measure taken to ensure that if Chinese political
leadership were to be pushed into the corner in the even of formal
declaration of independence by Taiwan, Chinese military'd be at least
somewhat prepared.

For the foreseeable future, China would not do anything to disrupt the
status quo across the Taiwan strait because they're fully aware of the
enormity, severity and potential risk of massive economic, political,
social, regional of in China. China as a country, Chinese government
as a government, Chinese leadership for their own political legacy and
survival, can't afford any distraction. In the foreseeable future,
the ball is in Taiwan's court, as long as Taiwan refrains from formal
declaration of independence, there would be no break out of
hostilities across Taiwan street. China's hands are too full to risk
an external war which even if China wins, would ruin the equilibrium
China must have to move forward.

For the foreseeable future, China would not do anything to disrupt the
status quo across the Taiwan strait because they're fully aware of the
enormity, severity and potential risk of massive economic, political,
social, regional of in China.

Thank you for your concerns, Currently Taiwan is a non issue between
the PRC and the ROC. There is no Taiwan Independence movement nor any
possibility of Taiwan rattling sabers over anything. The US has been
trying to sell more advanced arms to Taiwan for years. Taiwan does
need to replace her ageing military equipment but is in no hurry to do
so. Although permission to sell had been approved by Congress many
times Taiwan is not biting. Taiwan is quite happy to receive all the
technical details of your macho toys though. You know that and can
never appraise them of or try to sell Taiwan your latest and best
stuff. No F-22s for example nor the latest Aegis systems. Taiwan
balks at buying expensive systems that are past their best-by-date.
The chances are when they do need to replace time expired equipment it
will be a token purchase to sop your concerns not a serious effort to
put up a fighting force. You don't have leverage. You cannot use
Taiwan as a proxy for your schemes.

As for threatening China with all sorts of dire consequences if she
does not toe your "bastion of democracy" line what else is new that
you had not already threatened since 1949 up till today. When you
fire blanks once too often all it says is that you have a pretty noise
maker. Do read up on sources other than neocon friendly US
publications. Events are racing past you faster than you can
imagine. The Big Game today is for the resource exploitation of whole
continents - Asia, Africa, South America. Economic exploitation means
developing economic bonds and politico-cultural relationships that
gravitate to one's country. You are not winning. Brandishing
military power is counter productive. The EU and Japan are drawing
away from you least they stumble into a (own) country destroying
political mess though your strategic blunders. India is reassessing
her very recent and once rosy Bush II initiated alliance with the US.
for the same reason. Pres. Obama's recent trip to Asia is telling. He
is genuinely respected and liked by all Asians. But he came away
empty handed. No one in the places he visited is unduly concerned
that the US will not play a lead role in Asia in the days to come.

"American Eagle" wrote in message
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Ray O'Hara wrote:
"PaPa Peng" wrote in message
...
China is a long way from militarily being able to threaten the U.S. a
nuke
exchamnge would be bad for the U.S. annhiliation for china.

Grow up Ray. No one is interested in threatening the US. China's
build-up is to neutralize the US's ability to act bullyboy. Read the
most recent post in SMN....."CHINA'S NAVY MAKES "IMPRESSIVE" STRIDES,
SAYS ONI
from [link], "


China's build up is to threaten Taiwan. any attack on Taiwan will be met
with force by the U.S..

Bush was chicken****ting out on that promise and Obama is remaining mum on
it.

Where is this "Taiwan" you speak of? They are not a UN member....Are you
certain the US would defend a "non-nation"?

Mark

"Mark Test" wrote in message
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"American Eagle" wrote in message
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Ray O'Hara wrote:
"PaPa Peng" wrote in message
...
China is a long way from militarily being able to threaten the U.S. a
nuke
exchamnge would be bad for the U.S. annhiliation for china.

Grow up Ray. No one is interested in threatening the US. China's
build-up is to neutralize the US's ability to act bullyboy. Read the
most recent post in SMN....."CHINA'S NAVY MAKES "IMPRESSIVE" STRIDES,
SAYS ONI
from [link], "


China's build up is to threaten Taiwan. any attack on Taiwan will be met
with force by the U.S..

Bush was chicken****ting out on that promise and Obama is remaining mum
on it.

Where is this "Taiwan" you speak of? They are not a UN member....Are you
certain the US would defend a "non-nation"?

Yes.

"American Eagle" wrote in message
...
Ray O'Hara wrote:
"PaPa Peng" wrote in message
...
China is a long way from militarily being able to threaten the U.S. a
nuke
exchamnge would be bad for the U.S. annhiliation for china.

Grow up Ray. No one is interested in threatening the US. China's
build-up is to neutralize the US's ability to act bullyboy. Read the
most recent post in SMN....."CHINA'S NAVY MAKES "IMPRESSIVE" STRIDES,
SAYS ONI
from [link], "


China's build up is to threaten Taiwan. any attack on Taiwan will be met
with force by the U.S..

Bush was chicken****ting out on that promise and Obama is remaining mum on
it.

ambiguity has been the official U.S. policy since Nixon was taken to the
cleaners by the Chicoms during his infamous trip.

On Nov 22, 7:15*am, "Mark Test" wrote:
Where is this "Taiwan" you speak of? *They are not a UN member....Are you
certain the US would defend a "non-nation"?

Mark

The policy of the United States is to defend China against itself so
that mainland Chinese can continue working for Taiwanese managers as
their wages (and other freedoms) are depressed by the Chinese
Communist Party.

The two main threats America uses to hold China in line a

"Fine, then we won't trade with you."

and

"We can use those aircraft carriers to chop off your lines of supply
thousands of miles from your shores."

-HJC