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PENTAGON SEEKS F-22A COST PROPOSALS TO EXTEND PRODUCTION INTOFY-10
On Mar 8, 11:27 pm, Andrew Swallow wrote:
Australia has problems with a little place called China. F-22s launched from Australia can't attack China, because they lack the refueling capability. And China's few long range bombers would get jumped by Australia's Super Hornets. -HJC |
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PENTAGON SEEKS F-22A COST PROPOSALS TO EXTEND PRODUCTION INTOFY-10
On Mar 9, 10:34*am, hcobb wrote:
On Mar 8, 11:27 pm, Andrew Swallow wrote: Australia has problems with a little place called China. F-22s launched from Australia can't attack China, because they lack the refueling capability. And China's few long range bombers would get jumped by Australia's Super Hornets. -HJC Oh? http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/a330_200/ http://www.militaryglobal.com/forum/...ic,5723.0.html |
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PENTAGON SEEKS F-22A COST PROPOSALS TO EXTEND PRODUCTION INTO FY-10
In message , Ed Rasimus
writes On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 07:30:21 -0700 (PDT), hcobb wrote: What potentially hostile powers can put jet fighters within range of the population centers of UK For the UK, the unification of Europe has reduced the threat greatly, but the logical extension of that reasoning is that UK needs no defenses at all now. There's also the point that we find ourselves operating away from home rather often these days, and thus rather closer to potentially or actually hostile air arms. -- The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools. -Thucydides pauldotjdotadam[at]googlemail{dot}.com |
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PENTAGON SEEKS F-22A COST PROPOSALS TO EXTEND PRODUCTION INTOFY-10
On Mar 9, 11:09 am, "Paul J. Adam" wrote:
There's also the point that we find ourselves operating away from home rather often these days, and thus rather closer to potentially or actually hostile air arms. Which is why the perfect fighter for the UK is the F-35C, operating off Nuke carriers. (Place an order for two with the Americans and pocket to lower price to pay off the Scottish yard workers.) -HJC |
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PENTAGON SEEKS F-22A COST PROPOSALS TO EXTEND PRODUCTION INTOFY-10
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message , Ed Rasimus writes On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 07:30:21 -0700 (PDT), hcobb wrote: What potentially hostile powers can put jet fighters within range of the population centers of UK For the UK, the unification of Europe has reduced the threat greatly, but the logical extension of that reasoning is that UK needs no defenses at all now. There's also the point that we find ourselves operating away from home rather often these days, and thus rather closer to potentially or actually hostile air arms. That implies Britain needs the ability to construct army, navy and airforce bases quickly anywhere in the world. Living in tents 5 years after the war started is a bad idea. Runways and piers have to appear within days. The logistical load needs minimizing, so actions like saving transported oil by heating water using solar power in hot countries. Generating electricity by wind turbines. Andrew Swallow |
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PENTAGON SEEKS F-22A COST PROPOSALS TO EXTEND PRODUCTION INTO FY-10
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, hcobb writes On Mar 9, 11:09 am, "Paul J. Adam" wrote: There's also the point that we find ourselves operating away from home rather often these days, and thus rather closer to potentially or actually hostile air arms. Which is why the perfect fighter for the UK is the F-35C, operating off Nuke carriers. (Place an order for two with the Americans and pocket to lower price to pay off the Scottish yard workers.) You're not really up to speed on the costs of current kit, are you? (There's a hint - if we could afford CVNs we'd be buying them. Since we can't, we're not) -- The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools. -Thucydides pauldotjdotadam[at]googlemail{dot}.com |
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PENTAGON SEEKS F-22A COST PROPOSALS TO EXTEND PRODUCTION INTOFY-10
On Mar 9, 7:46*pm, "Paul J. Adam" wrote:
In message , hcobb writes On Mar 9, 11:09 am, "Paul J. Adam" wrote: There's also the point that we find ourselves operating away from home rather often these days, and thus rather closer to potentially or actually hostile air arms. Which is why the perfect fighter for the UK is the F-35C, operating off Nuke carriers. *(Place an order for two with the Americans and pocket to lower price to pay off the Scottish yard workers.) You're not really up to speed on the costs of current kit, are you? (There's a hint - if we could afford CVNs we'd be buying them. Since we can't, we're not) For those following along at home, the pair of CVs the Royal Navy is currently buying is slated to run somewhere around 4 to 5 billion pounds, which is around $8-10 billion US. The most recent Nimitz class CVN cost about $6 billion, meaning that a pair would be much more expensive than the Queen Elizabeth program. And that doesn't even get into issues like manning, O&M costs, &c. Note that even at the current program cost there's some doubt as to whether the RN will actually finish the program- they've had to downsize the _Astute_ and _Daring_ classes by quite a bit to afford the them and there's some speculation that the Treasury will wait until a "main gate" decision has to be made and then announced that the carriers have to be canceled since there's nothing to escort them with. And I imagine that the people in the UK who squawk about Henry Hyde's antics with the JSF source code would have a collective stroke if a move like that were announced. -JTD |
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PENTAGON SEEKS F-22A COST PROPOSALS TO EXTEND PRODUCTION INTOFY-10
On Mar 9, 9:03 pm, Jeff Dougherty wrote:
For those following along at home, the pair of CVs the Royal Navy is currently buying is slated to run somewhere around 4 to 5 billion pounds, which is around $8-10 billion US. The most recent Nimitz class CVN cost about $6 billion, meaning that a pair would be much more expensive than the Queen Elizabeth program. The costs will rise and the design already is not worth the current fib of a price. http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/cvf/ A number of protective measures such as side armour and armoured bulkheads proposed by industrial bid teams have been deleted from the design in order to comply with cost limitations. Did they learn nothing from McCain's tour on the Forest Fire? -HJC |
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PENTAGON SEEKS F-22A COST PROPOSALS TO EXTEND PRODUCTION INTOFY-10
hcobb wrote:
On Mar 9, 9:03 pm, Jeff Dougherty wrote: For those following along at home, the pair of CVs the Royal Navy is currently buying is slated to run somewhere around 4 to 5 billion pounds, which is around $8-10 billion US. The most recent Nimitz class CVN cost about $6 billion, meaning that a pair would be much more expensive than the Queen Elizabeth program. The costs will rise and the design already is not worth the current fib of a price. http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/cvf/ A number of protective measures such as side armour and armoured bulkheads proposed by industrial bid teams have been deleted from the design in order to comply with cost limitations. Did they learn nothing from McCain's tour on the Forest Fire? -HJC Wait, don't you usually tell us how perfect the U.S Navy is? Are you blaming the fire on McCain? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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PENTAGON SEEKS F-22A COST PROPOSALS TO EXTEND PRODUCTION INTOFY-10
On Mar 9, 10:37 pm, Dan wrote:
Wait, don't you usually tell us how perfect the U.S Navy is? Are you blaming the fire on McCain? Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired It takes quite a jinx to keep The Navy down. ;-) -HJC |
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