Why did Bush join the national guard?

He was a bombardier.
They were notorious for needing help ( cf: Yossarian )

IBM

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And you were?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: Ian MacLure
Date: 9/6/2004 10:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

My cousin joined up in 1941.

Who cares and what ha sjtyta to do with you?

'll bet he saw more combat than you did and he flew C-54

That is a bet you will lose. How would you know since you saw none.



I make no claims about my service heroic or otherwise.
In the context of WWI

But you sure make a lot of noise for some one who wasn't even there.

Nope, I'm real. I don't claim to be a hero.
My cousin doesn't either, won't talk about it unless

Hiding behind oyu cousin again, Disgusting

I do know it was his crew that flew Gen Wainwright back to
the USA after Japan surrendered and the POWs were freed.

Flying generals round, Tough duty My heart pumps **** for him.

Pacific. All over, some places he'd even been pre-war.
Shot up by Japanese fighters twice. Lost his copilot the
first time. Only wounded the second. On a third occasion

For a guy who never talks bout it he sure blabs a lot.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ubject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Bob Coe"
Date: 9/6/2004 10:22 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: ZAb%c.19247$ni.11235@okepread01

"Ian MacLure" wrote
Kramer the ****-up wrote:
And he flew C-54's in WW II?

Yes
Military version of DC-4.
( http://www.warbirdalley.com/c54.htm )
What word did you not understand.

How did he do that?

Kramer you dumb ****, even Roosevelt had one for AF #1

What a brain-dead moron. What a ****-up! I believe SNAFU
was named after your racist crew!


You are sick.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: Ian MacLure
Date: 9/6/2004 10:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
link.net:

[snip]

How did you manage to avoid learning anything about military aviation
while you were in the USAAF?

He was a bombardier.
They were notorious for needing help ( cf: Yossarian )

IBM


YOU READ BOOK ON THE WAR. WOW. IMPRESSIVE


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Art,

If you read a book or two it might just keep you from making such a complete
ass of your self over and over on this news group - but then what would we
do for fun?

Jack G.



YOU READ BOOK ON THE WAR. WOW. IMPRESSIVE


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ubject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Jack G"
Date: 9/7/2004 7:32 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: TDj%c.5609$5Y6.2664@trnddc07

Art,

If you read a book or two it might just keep you from making such a complete
ass of your self over and over on this news group - but then what would we
do for fun?

Jack G.



YOU READ BOOK ON THE WAR. WOW. IMPRESSIVE


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer



Well you would regale us with the missions you flew in defense of your country
and we would all split our sides laughing.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:53:38 +0000, ArtKramr wrote:

[snip]

YOU READ BOOK ON THE WAR. WOW. IMPRESSIVE

More than one actually and on more than one war.
Some of which didn't involve any B26 aircraft.
And-uh I've met your kind before.
Wasn't impressed then.
Sure as hell not impressed now.

IBM

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Art wrote:
But you read every post I write in detail don't you? when are you gong to
tell
us about your combat experiences lying wannabee with nothing to tell. You are
disgusting.

Since when is "Screw You", "**** You", "Wannabee", and "Sniveling Coward"
writing in detail? It is plain old name calling and not a good reflection on
your service, business expertise, command experience, etc.

Rick
MFE

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "ian maclure"
Date: 9/7/2004 9:16 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:41:47 +0000, ArtKramr wrote:

He was a bombardier.
They were notorious for needing help ( cf: Yossarian )

IBM

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And you were?

I am. Present tense. As in coterminous with thepresent.

IBM


In other words nothing military.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/6/2004 6:14 PM Central Daylight Time

No. I just am fed up with those who were never in combat who tell those who
were what it was "really" like.


Arthur Kramer

Not ONE person has told you what it was "really like." Only those of us who
were there would know that anyway. What HAS been said WRT you war is you have
made it clear that no one who wasn't in combat then knows what actually
happened. You have even gone so far as to say the military records keepers who
were there were wrong.

You have promised to stop initiating OT rants. You lied. You have been asked
questions such was for a definition of "neocon." Instead of responding you have
attacked the person asking the question. You have denigrated the service of
people who served just as honourably as you yet who hadn't seen combat. You
have said kerry would make a great prsident since he had seen combat yet you
voted for clinton who admitted dodging the draft.

You are an insecure, lying hypocrite who really needs help.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired