Cirrus sued by Lidle's & Stanger's families

On 3/5/2007 3:05:54 PM, Ron Natalie wrote:

I think you're talking about the Overmyer crash. That was a VK-30 not
the SR20/22. The elevator jammed.

No, it was an SR20. You made me get off my lazy bum to look it up in the NTSB
database.

Here is the accident of which I was thinking. Back in 1999 a Cirrus test
pilot was killed when the aileron jammed:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...05X00274&key=1

Small quote from the report:

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of
this accident as follows:

the lack of sufficient aileron-to-wing gap clearance design.

--
Peter

Stupid pilots kill themselves every day and their families
just can't say, "the dumb **** screwed up" and they sue.
Since juries NEVER have an engineer or pilot [lawyers
exclude them in the selection process] you get bad awards.

The NTSB is not the final word, but when they point out a
real problem in design, it usually results in a design
change and an AD note.



"Peter R." wrote in message
...
| On 3/5/2007 3:05:54 PM, Ron Natalie wrote:
|
| I think you're talking about the Overmyer crash. That
was a VK-30 not
| the SR20/22. The elevator jammed.
|
| No, it was an SR20. You made me get off my lazy bum to
look it up in the NTSB
| database.
|
| Here is the accident of which I was thinking. Back in 1999
a Cirrus test
| pilot was killed when the aileron jammed:
|
|
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...05X00274&key=1
|
| Small quote from the report:
|
| The National Transportation Safety Board determines the
probable cause(s) of
| this accident as follows:
|
| the lack of sufficient aileron-to-wing gap clearance
design.
|
| --
| Peter

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:24:11 -0600, Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

There was the one when the pilot had to pop the chute because the aileron
was reattached properly after maintenance.

Yup, that happened here in Dallas. That was the first certified aircraft
to pop the BRS chute in a real emergency.

Monarch performed service bulletin work on the aileron trim tab before the
flight. Shortly after take off the left aileron damn near fell off.

Not exactly relevant when talking about a history of aileron failures but
the lawyers will probably try to use it anyway.

Pretty interesting story:
http://tinyurl.com/279z8s



--
Dallas

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:45:31 GMT, Dallas wrote:

Pretty interesting story:
http://tinyurl.com/279z8s

They make finding part 2 of the story a bit difficult so here's a link to
the conclusion:

http://tinyurl.com/2ybguc
--
Dallas

"Dallas" wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:45:31 GMT, Dallas wrote:

Pretty interesting story:
http://tinyurl.com/279z8s

They make finding part 2 of the story a bit difficult so here's a link to
the conclusion:

Remember to take this reporting with a grain of salt. This, after all, a
report from ANN, the illustrious publication of the "Captain Zoom."

More factual reporting can be had at a hairdresser shop.
--
Jim in NC

On Mar 5, 10:50 am, "Kingfish" wrote:
I guess we all knew this was gonna happen...

I read this on AvWeb this morning - not only is Cirrus named in the
suit, but also Teledyne, Hartzel, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice
Aviation (whoever they are). And this *before* the NTSB has determined
the cause. Unbelievable. They claim the feds' data show Cirrus
aircraft having a history of aileron failures and other accidents
involving flight control failures. I've read about quite a few Cirrus
accidents on this forum and don't recall anything about a control
system failure(?)

So they go after the engine mfr (did it quit on them?) and the
propeller mfr (did it fall off?) and the autopilot mfr (did George fly
them into the building?) The "Deep Pockets" theory is still in
effect I 'spose... Ugh. Our legal system needs an enema.

Anyone named in the initial action is no longer protected by time. If
you wait too long you can't file against anyone. You always name
anyone who could possibly be named in the first round. Usually you end
up with 1 or 2 named by the time you make an offer.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Mar 5, 10:50 am, "Kingfish" wrote:

I guess we all knew this was gonna happen...

I read this on AvWeb this morning - not only is Cirrus named in the
suit, but also Teledyne, Hartzel, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice
Aviation (whoever they are). And this *before* the NTSB has determined
the cause. Unbelievable. They claim the feds' data show Cirrus
aircraft having a history of aileron failures and other accidents
involving flight control failures. I've read about quite a few Cirrus
accidents on this forum and don't recall anything about a control
system failure(?)

So they go after the engine mfr (did it quit on them?) and the
propeller mfr (did it fall off?) and the autopilot mfr (did George fly
them into the building?) The "Deep Pockets" theory is still in
effect I 'spose... Ugh. Our legal system needs an enema.


Anyone named in the initial action is no longer protected by time. If
you wait too long you can't file against anyone. You always name
anyone who could possibly be named in the first round. Usually you end
up with 1 or 2 named by the time you make an offer.

-Robert


What is really sad is that some companies will settle out of court to
avoid paying all the legal costs that can come with some insane jury.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

Anyone named in the initial action is no longer protected by time. If
you wait too long you can't file against anyone. You always name
anyone who could possibly be named in the first round. Usually you end
up with 1 or 2 named by the time you make an offer.

-Robert

Yup, the shotgun method of filing suit has me named as a 'sued
physician' - even though the judge ordered me dropped from the suit
for lack of involvement...
The fact that I had nothing to do with the person, that I wasn't even
physically in town during the week she was injured and hospitalized
and treated by other physicians, does not matter, I was named in a
suit and that is that...
26 years later I still have to report every year on insurance
applications, medical staff renewals, to the government, etc., that I
was sued in 1981...
God, I love our legal system...

denny

On Mar 5, 10:50 am, "Kingfish" wrote:

The "Deep Pockets" theory is still in
effect I 'spose... Ugh. Our legal system needs an enema.

It's intention. It's called JSL (Joint and Several Liability). It's
the "Deep Pockets" theory coded into law!!

-Robert

Kingfish wrote:
I guess we all knew this was gonna happen...

I read this on AvWeb this morning - not only is Cirrus named in the
suit, but also Teledyne, Hartzel, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice
Aviation (whoever they are). And this *before* the NTSB has determined
the cause. Unbelievable. They claim the feds' data show Cirrus
aircraft having a history of aileron failures and other accidents
involving flight control failures. I've read about quite a few Cirrus
accidents on this forum and don't recall anything about a control
system failure(?)

So they go after the engine mfr (did it quit on them?) and the
propeller mfr (did it fall off?) and the autopilot mfr (did George fly
them into the building?) The "Deep Pockets" theory is still in
effect I 'spose... Ugh. Our legal system needs an enema.


I think the widow should sue the person who built the building. After
all, anyone with half a brain knows that building a building more than 3
stories tall is just asking for trouble with airplanes.


Matt