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Interesting debate. I too have no use for old cranks who live near an
airport and constantly complain about the noise. But, aerobatic practice boxes are not published anywhere. Not sure I can defend a "tough $*^!" attitude on the part of aerobatic jockeys. We have a similar problem. I have owned an airplane for over ten years. We live a couple of miles down the road from the airport. We could live closer, BUT we chose to live here because we did not want to put up with the noise. Now, 2 old cranks (hey, I'm over 50, I can say it) have harassed their village and the police enough that a "noise abatement" procedure was put in place. To avoid bothering these fine citizens (who bought homes right next to an airport that preceded their houses by 20 years), airplanes now must fly an extended 2.5 mile upwind to, you guessed it, my house. I have to draw the line here pardner. My house was here before THE PATTERN was moved. In addition, flying this non-standard, 2+ mile upwind is inherently DANGEROUS to those transients who are not aware of this absurd procedure. It puts aircraft dangerously close (2 miles) to O'Hare's innermost ring. The 2 crabbies also had touch and gos eliminated in this "procedure". They even have "airport volunteers" park their keesters at the airport with a handheld radio to record any "violators". Those N-numbers based at the airport are sent reminders if they violate this unsafe, voluntary procedure. For a time, they were even contemplating terminating the lease (hangar/tiedown) of repeat "violators". It appears the village attorney talked some sense into them and they dropped the threat. They have taken in over $10 million in federal funds and this type of action might attract the FAA into the fray. So, I can see the beef to some extent. At least move the box around so the same homes don't get pummeled forever. Flexibility won't kill you, but inflexibility might. Remember, you're in RANGE!!! Good Luck, Mike __________________________________________________ _____________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com The Worlds Uncensored News Source |
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Sounds like Schaumburg. The departure procedures to the east are absurd and dangerous. Ought to be a law against such nonsense. Far as I know the procedures are voluntary. "Mike Spera" wrote in message ... Interesting debate. I too have no use for old cranks who live near an airport and constantly complain about the noise. But, aerobatic practice boxes are not published anywhere. Not sure I can defend a "tough $*^!" attitude on the part of aerobatic jockeys. We have a similar problem. I have owned an airplane for over ten years. We live a couple of miles down the road from the airport. We could live closer, BUT we chose to live here because we did not want to put up with the noise. Now, 2 old cranks (hey, I'm over 50, I can say it) have harassed their village and the police enough that a "noise abatement" procedure was put in place. To avoid bothering these fine citizens (who bought homes right next to an airport that preceded their houses by 20 years), airplanes now must fly an extended 2.5 mile upwind to, you guessed it, my house. I have to draw the line here pardner. My house was here before THE PATTERN was moved. In addition, flying this non-standard, 2+ mile upwind is inherently DANGEROUS to those transients who are not aware of this absurd procedure. It puts aircraft dangerously close (2 miles) to O'Hare's innermost ring. The 2 crabbies also had touch and gos eliminated in this "procedure". They even have "airport volunteers" park their keesters at the airport with a handheld radio to record any "violators". Those N-numbers based at the airport are sent reminders if they violate this unsafe, voluntary procedure. For a time, they were even contemplating terminating the lease (hangar/tiedown) of repeat "violators". It appears the village attorney talked some sense into them and they dropped the threat. They have taken in over $10 million in federal funds and this type of action might attract the FAA into the fray. So, I can see the beef to some extent. At least move the box around so the same homes don't get pummeled forever. Flexibility won't kill you, but inflexibility might. Remember, you're in RANGE!!! Good Luck, Mike __________________________________________________ __________________________ ___ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com The Worlds Uncensored News Source |
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"C J Campbell" writes:
"Javier Henderson" wrote in message ... Ahm...can you tone down your drivel a tad? Specifically, the personal attacks. I don't recall having done that to you in the past. Actually, I thought your post was a personal attack. I certainly took it that way. It wasn't. It contained a different point of view, but that's hardly a personal attack. Your posting contained insults, and it was clearly a personal attack. Anyway. I dislike continuing flame wars, if you'd like to discuss this further, please drop me an email. Happy flying, -jav |
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
... If you do like Campbell and claim there can be no compromise possible I can assue you that all you will do is elimninate small GA. It may just be my reading comprehension, but to me it sounded a lot like Mr Campbell said that we need to compromise, rather than appease and follow the STN movement. He said that the movement is making things worse for some people by concentrating the noise in a single area, and this approach wasn't right...instead of fighting the two opposing sides, people should compromise to come up with a new approach. He stated that pilots can do what they like, but most are painfully aware of the noise issues and would like to do what they can to minimise it in a single area...but are forced into one of these areas by the STN thing. But then that's the way I read it. Paul |
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On 31 Mar 2004 03:15:43 GMT, Mike Spera wrote:
So, I can see the beef to some extent. At least move the box around so the same homes don't get pummeled foreve I couldn't agree more. At least until they move the box over my house. Then I'll sue! (In truth, I'm safe from that. I live in the Delta airspace of a former SAC base, now a "tradeport" but still with National Guard KC-135s. They annoy me sometimes in the summer, but most of the time I enjoy the business.) all the best -- Dan Ford email: -- put Cubdriver in subject line! see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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A couple of years ago there was the case of the "Guildford
aerobatic pilot" which became famous in the pilot magazines here. Pilots...yes, pilots...from the Guildford area wrote in to the magazines complaining about the incessant noise from the pilot who did aeros in the vicinity of Guildford. I used to like watching that (IIRC) Pitts...usually from the top of the car park here in work. Anyway, after the letters, he went away. Not seen him/her since. Sigh. Diana Britten, the British aerobatic champion flies from Fairoaks, the local airport. I've never seen her practising aeros in this area. I would like to. :-) http://www.dianabritten.com/ Paul "Cub Driver" wrote in message ... At least until they move the box over my house. Then I'll sue! (In truth, I'm safe from that. I live in the Delta airspace of a former SAC base, now a "tradeport" but still with National Guard KC-135s. They annoy me sometimes in the summer, but most of the time I enjoy the business.) |
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"Paul Sengupta" wrote in message ... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... If you do like Campbell and claim there can be no compromise possible I can assure you that all you will do is elimninate small GA. It may just be my reading comprehension, but to me it sounded a lot like Mr Campbell said that we need to compromise, It is your reading comprehension. Go back and read it again, as Campbell was postibng that it is too late for compromise. Without compromise all that is left is a war you can't win. After my post Campbell saw the light and adopted a conciliatory tone. |
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Dave Stadt wrote: The departure procedures to the east are absurd and dangerous. Ought to be a law against such nonsense. There's a complainer that lives off the western end of the runway at 47N. They initiated a procedure to try to placate her. Every aircraft was expected to make a 45 degree left turn about 100 yards from the end of the runway. About a year after that went into effect, a Cherokee stalled immediately after turning and pancaked into a golf course, killing both occupants. They're back to straight out departures now. George Patterson Treason is ne'er successful, Sir; what then be the reason? Why, if treason be successful, Sir, then none dare call it treason. |
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"Paul Sengupta" wrote in message ... A couple of years ago there was the case of the "Guildford aerobatic pilot" which became famous in the pilot magazines here. Pilots...yes, pilots...from the Guildford area wrote in to the magazines complaining about the incessant noise from the pilot who did aeros in the vicinity of Guildford. I used to like watching that (IIRC) Pitts...usually from the top of the car park here in work. Anyway, after the letters, he went away. Not seen him/her since. Sigh. Diana Britten, the British aerobatic champion flies from Fairoaks, the local airport. I've never seen her practising aeros in this area. I would like to. :-) I have often seen someone aeros over Cantley Field near Wokingham. |
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote
If you do like Campbell and claim there can be no compromise possible I can assue you that all you will do is elimninate small GA. ...and if the other side says there is NO compromise, which many of them do, then what? I've dealt personally with these types, the ones that loved 9/11 because we couldnt fly. The ones that say no improvement to any traffic pattern is enough, only eliminating the airport and the airplanes will do, and glad to see a fatal accident take another airplane/pilot out of the equation - I'm not exagerating. Take a look again at http://pages.prodigy.net/rockaway/ACNewsmenu.htm this is the kind of nutcases we're talking about here. The guy who puts this craphole website together hates everything and everybody: pilots, controllers, politicians, aircraft manufacturers, and even some of his anti-aviation counterparts! These are the real problem, a lunatic fringe. Most of the neighbors I've dealt with are not like this, they're pretty hot at first, but not off the deep end like STN and this other clown. Like I said in a previous post, there is no dealing with some people, try as you may. "Paul Sengupta" wrote He said that the movement is making things worse for some people by concentrating the noise... I've seen it here, the politically connected (or they have something the city wants) almosts moves the downwind beyond glide range just to avoid a couple homes, and I do mean a couple - just to put us all over a crowded subdivision. Chris |
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