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Kerry is a pilot?
I was watching MSNBC recently and learned that John Kerry, a democrat, is a
certified pilot, I saw a quick episode of him flying a plane in left seat. There is no way to recognize what kind of plane, but it is definitely a low wing. Just wanted to share what I saw. Toks Desalu |
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Yup.
Let's put someone in the White House who can talk sense to the Secret Service and homeland security wackos about general aviation. Pilots Database Search Result ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Name : KERRY, JOHN FORBES Pilot's Address : 19 LOUISBURG SQ BOSTON, MA, 02108-1202 FAA Region : New England Date of Medical : Dec, 2003 Class of Medical : 2 Expiration : Dec, 2004 Pilot Certificates : Commercial Pilot Airplane Single Engine Land Airplane Single Engine Sea Airplane Multiengine Land Instrument Airplane Glider Aero Tow (Private Pilot) -- Roger Long Toks Desalu wrote in message news:PnSQb.149453$na.246236@attbi_s04... I was watching MSNBC recently and learned that John Kerry, a democrat, is a certified pilot, I saw a quick episode of him flying a plane in left seat. There is no way to recognize what kind of plane, but it is definitely a low wing. Just wanted to share what I saw. Toks Desalu |
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"Roger Long" om wrote in message ... | Yup. | | Let's put someone in the White House who can talk sense to the Secret | Service and homeland security wackos about general aviation. | Unfortunately, Mr. Kerry has not shown any tendency to talk sense about general aviation. Look, I do not like the Patriot Act, the TFRs, the busybodies who report pilots to the FBI, Homeland Security, color-coded security levels, or anything else about our current security stance. I think these things should be opposed vociferously. Not a single one of the Democratic candidates has done this. If they have said anything at all, it is that the current administration's measures are not severe enough. They mumble on about how the war in Iraq is diverting resources from "fighting terror," meaning more restrictions at home. But it helps to keep things in perspective. Even with all these restrictions, we have a lot more freedom to fly and a lot less government intrusion than we did during WW II and the years after. The FBI in those days did not even have to get a court order for a wiretap; they just tapped the phones of anyone they wanted. No one read criminals their rights; they instead were taken into back rooms and confessions were beaten out of them. Even suspected spies (terrorists and saboteurs) have more rights today than they used to -- even those at Guantanamo. Heck, we don't even shoot deserters any more. We are only required to file flight plans before we fly in a couple of areas. It used to be that a flight plan was mandatory and that much general aviation was not allowed. For years there was an ADIZ above 10,000 feet that covered the entire contiguous United States. Thousands of GA airplanes disappeared in WW II scrap drives. Even if you somehow got permission to fly, you probably couldn't get fuel. You also could not get tires or rubber hoses or many other parts needed for maintaining your airplane. We haven't rounded up all the Moslems and Arabs and put them in internment camps, as we did the Japanese and threatened to do to Germans and Italians. When you get right down to it, and I hate to say it, President Bush has not been nearly as despotic as Franklin Roosevelt was. And yet, his enemies continually compare him to Adolph Hitler. If Bush was really like Adolph Hitler, all pilots would be drafted into the Civil Air Patrol and we would fly 24/7 airspace patrol. The borders would be sealed. The Moslem and Arab communities would be interned and systematically enslaved and gassed. There would be no Democratic party. The current Democratic candidates would have disappeared into the "night and fog" (to quote Hitler) years ago. Movement from one place to another would be severely restricted. Checkpoints at every major intersection would be established to check your travel papers. Everybody would have been LoJacked a long time ago. And if you think TSA is ridiculous now, imagine if Hitler ran it! "Please fill out these forms stating your name, race, religion, sexual orientation, country of origin of your ancestors, height, weight, age, eye color, hair color, parents' names, race and religion, your current address, reason for travel, how long you will be gone, your political party or affiliations, your occupation, your bank account numbers, list of all newspapers, magazines, and other publications you subscribe to, list of all television shows you have watched in the last five years, health history (include copies of all medical records), property you own, a list of all tenants and guests, etc." "Now, if you will just step into this booth, we will check your DNA for Moslem or Arab markers. Be sure to leave a urine sample so we can check you for drugs, explosives, and genetic diseases. You may remove your clothes for the body cavity search over there. Just get in line with the rest of the naked people. Your clothes will be burned and you will be issued your flight jumpsuit as soon as we have analyzed the X-rays. In the meantime we will scan your computer for encrypted files, pornography, state secrets and subversive information." "Have you been circumcised? The in-flight meal will consist of roast pork. You are required to eat it. You may board as soon as you have stomped on this copy of the Koran." Does all of that mean that I think the current restrictions are justified? Heck, no! Nor does it mean that I think that Hitler type restrictions would not be imposed if politicians of either party thought they could get away with it. I just want to point out that things could be and have been a lot worse, and that political affiliation has nothing to do with how nonsensical these restrictions get. |
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"Toks Desalu" wrote in message
There is no way to recognize what kind of plane, but it is definitely a low wing. Well, there's at least one redeeming quality. However, I think he's probably a highwinger in drag. I just can't imagine him in the Whitehouse at this moment in history any more than I could imagine Algore there. -- Jim Fisher |
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"Jim Fisher" wrote in message .. . "Toks Desalu" wrote in message There is no way to recognize what kind of plane, but it is definitely a low wing. Well, there's at least one redeeming quality. However, I think he's probably a highwinger in drag. I just can't imagine him in the Whitehouse at this moment in history any more than I could imagine Algore there. That's the problem we have these days. Everyone knows Bush was AWOL during his National Guard days, and then he goes on to to wear a flight suit and some people think he is a great leader. Today Ed Gillespie was just stunned that anyone would say that about Bush. But, it is the truth. Everyone knows it too. |
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"Pilot Bob" wrote in message
That's the problem we have these days. Everyone knows Bush was AWOL during his National Guard days, Not everyone. Not my a long shot. While he did seem to shirk some responsibilities, the record is not quite clear on exactly what happened. However, he *was* a youngun. I might have done a stupid thing or twenty in my younger years, too. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030411.html seems to be a fairly decent accout of what actually happened but leave much to interpretation. and then he goes on to to wear a flight suit and some people think he is a great leader. 'Cause he is . . . But history will have to be the final judge to that, I reckon. -- Jim Fisher -- |
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"Jim Fisher" wrote in message .. . "Pilot Bob" wrote in message That's the problem we have these days. Everyone knows Bush was AWOL during his National Guard days, Not everyone. Not my a long shot. While he did seem to shirk some responsibilities, the record is not quite clear on exactly what happened. However, he *was* a youngun. I might have done a stupid thing or twenty in my younger years, too. It is impossible to be AWOL from the National Guard, as drill attendance was optional. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030411.html seems to be a fairly decent accout of what actually happened but leave much to interpretation. and then he goes on to to wear a flight suit and some people think he is a great leader. 'Cause he is . . . But history will have to be the final judge to that, I reckon. I think it is cool that the President got a little stick time. |
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message news Not everyone. Not my a long shot. While he did seem to shirk some responsibilities, the record is not quite clear on exactly what happened. However, he *was* a youngun. I might have done a stupid thing or twenty in my younger years, too. It is impossible to be AWOL from the National Guard, as drill attendance was optional. Call it whatever you want. The fact is that, using his father's connections, he got placed in the National Guard to avoid the Vietnam draft and even then did not have the balls to meet his commitment. Now that may not mean much to you, but to me it says a whole lot about character. |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:53:09 -0600 "Jim Fisher" wrote:
"Pilot Bob" wrote in message That's the problem we have these days. Everyone knows Bush was AWOL during his National Guard days, Not everyone. Not my a long shot. While he did seem to shirk some responsibilities, the record is not quite clear on exactly what happened. However, he *was* a youngun. I might have done a stupid thing or twenty in my younger years, too. Did you avoid fulfilling your swarn duties to your country? That goes far beyond stupid. So you think avoiding your swarn duties for your country is just a stupid thing he did and it should be overlooked because he was young? Sons of people with lots less money suffer much worse fate than being thought of as young and stupid when they fail to fulfill their swarn duties to their country. R. Hubbell http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030411.html seems to be a fairly decent accout of what actually happened but leave much to interpretation. and then he goes on to to wear a flight suit and some people think he is a great leader. 'Cause he is . . . But history will have to be the final judge to that, I reckon. -- Jim Fisher -- |
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"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
Did you avoid fulfilling your swarn duties to your country? No, I never had any "swarn" dities to my country . . . Except for paying taxes, I reckon. I've never avoided them but I damn sure don't like 'em. Does that count? So you think avoiding your swarn duties for your country is just a stupid thing he did and it should be overlooked because he was young? Yeah, that pretty much states it. He kinda made up for it by serving as Commander in Chief . . . In my book, anyway. Are you the same person you were when you were in your teens-twenties? I damn sure am not. Besides, it not like he took of to Canada. Sons of people with lots less money suffer much worse fate than being thought of as young and stupid when they fail to fulfill their swarn duties to their country. It's not nice to swarn, by the way. -- Jim Fisher |
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