buying help

Hello,

I in the market for a six seater.

Could somone please help me out with a cost analysis of a single engine 6
seater vs a twin.

I would like something on the faster end of the group. Some of the models
I've looked at are chugging along at 150kts or so. I'm looking for
something closer to 190kts if possible.

Thanks,

John Doe wrote:

Hello,

I in the market for a six seater.

Could somone please help me out with a cost analysis of a single engine 6
seater vs a twin.

I would like something on the faster end of the group. Some of the models
I've looked at are chugging along at 150kts or so. I'm looking for
something closer to 190kts if possible.

Plane & Pilot just did a review on the Saratoga. Full fuel gave +500
pounds useful. If I remember right that included the deicing system.
What a waste of money on a 6 seat, 180 knot plane...

If you want to burn the fuel, an Aztec will true 180 knots. Figure a cost
of about $200 per hour, or 3 times the fuel burn times the fuel price. Our
current price is $2.96, so 25gph x 3 x $2.96 = $222. We've found that to be
about 10% high, so far.
Jim

might be 500# useful.. but to fill the seats of a "Lance".. watch the aft CG

BT

"Darrel Toepfer" wrote in message
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John Doe wrote:

Hello,

I in the market for a six seater.

Could somone please help me out with a cost analysis of a single engine 6
seater vs a twin.

I would like something on the faster end of the group. Some of the models
I've looked at are chugging along at 150kts or so. I'm looking for
something closer to 190kts if possible.

Plane & Pilot just did a review on the Saratoga. Full fuel gave +500
pounds useful. If I remember right that included the deicing system. What
a waste of money on a 6 seat, 180 knot plane...

BTIZ wrote:

might be 500# useful.. but to fill the seats of a "Lance".. watch the aft CG

Well the Saratoga has an upfront luggage compartment to assist with that...

Darrel Toepfer wrote:

Plane & Pilot just did a review on the Saratoga. Full fuel gave +500
pounds useful. If I remember right that included the deicing system.
What a waste of money on a 6 seat, 180 knot plane...

What's the useful load with 3.5 hours' fuel in the tanks?

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

George Patterson wrote:
Darrel Toepfer wrote:

Plane & Pilot just did a review on the Saratoga. Full fuel gave +500
pounds useful. If I remember right that included the deicing system.
What a waste of money on a 6 seat, 180 knot plane...

What's the useful load with 3.5 hours' fuel in the tanks?

I quoted wrong, full tanks yields 411 pounds useful inside the cabin,
537 lbs total (front baggage? 100# max)...

Full tanks is 102 gallons. TKS deice fluid weighs 9.2 lbs. per gallon
and carries 4.4 gallons. 75% power consumption is 16.1 gph @ 175 knots @
10k ft... 3600# gross, empty weight is 2466#, useful load 1149#. Max
ramp weight is 3615#..

So something around 3 people and not much...

The author mentions a ferry flight to down under at 25% over gross,
4500# total weight... 650 fpm climb out...

so doesn't the Lance, and Cherokee 6... all precursors to the Saratoga
BT

"Darrel Toepfer" wrote in message
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BTIZ wrote:

might be 500# useful.. but to fill the seats of a "Lance".. watch the aft
CG

Well the Saratoga has an upfront luggage compartment to assist with
that...

In article ,
Darrel Toepfer wrote:

BTIZ wrote:

might be 500# useful.. but to fill the seats of a "Lance".. watch the aft CG

Well the Saratoga has an upfront luggage compartment to assist with that..


So ... all you need is 6 people that weigh 75 lbs each . And each
carrying one small 5 pound suitcase with them.




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Darrel Toepfer wrote:

I quoted wrong, full tanks yields 411 pounds useful inside the cabin,
537 lbs total (front baggage? 100# max)...

So. Using the figures you provided, you can put 60 gallons in the tanks and do 3
hour legs with nearly 45 minutes reserve and carry 663 pounds in the cabin (789
max). That's a little better, but not much. Leave the de-ice tanks empty, and
you get another 40 pounds. That finally gets you up to 4 FAA adults.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.