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Don Parker wrote: Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo wrote: John Ward wrote: Hi Doc, Good points, and well made. No he hasn't, for a while now. Ahhhh, he'll show up! John...the cat on the monitor, still doing 'co-pilot' service? ;-) Oh gawd - there's more than one?? (:-)) I think they write those SATA drive and RAID tech pieces for folks with the proverbial MIT credential! I gave up [for now anyway...] and returned forthwith to my IDE UDMA 133 drives! Rumor has it the spec's or expect's for the SATA's are as trustworthy as if uttered by Geo. W. himself! In other words, if it sounds good, say it, you lie, I'll swear to it................... Cheers'n Beers Doc.. [_]) Don Hey! RAS 'old-hands' now showing up! ;-) Hello Don...I think I might have confused John with 'your' cat...that pic of the cat [pre-diet] on the monitor might have been yours! Confirm ....if you please... As for 'Greasy', well, I was first reminded, my retort wise, of the words of 'Calvera' [Eli Wallach] in the classic 'Mag 7' flick...you know..."Generosity! That was my first mistake! I leave these people something extra and they hire these men to make trouble for me...me, a man who wants no trouble!" [suddenly...vexed and quizzical albeit from the same classic flick!] Greasy [doing 'Calvera' ...] "What I don't understand is why a man like you took the job [*passing out newbie material] in the first place...c'mon why?" Doc Tony: [doing 'Vic' ... Steve McQueen] "Well, Greasey-man, it's like a fella' I once knew in El Paso...one day he just took off all his clothes and jumped in a mess of cactus...I asked him the same question...WHY?!" Greasy: [still whizzed off!] "Annnnnnd?" Doc Tony: [merely following script...]"He said it seemed like a good idea at the time!" ;-) [*great flick, that!] Anyway, that out of the way, back to SATA [*Serial ATA] drives and RAID. The new motherboard I got [Soyo SY-P4VTP w/800FSB] also has two on-board SATA connectors in addition to the normal UDMA 133 PCI/IDE pins but when I hooked up the two SATA drives and had the BIOS open to the Win XP 'CD' as the first drive to then hopefully get an O/S on one of the SATA drives, the thing kept closing down with a message that the CD containing the XP O/S "...could not find any IDE drives" and so it shut down forthwith! So HOW does one get an O/S on a SATA drive. I got a great deal on that WD740 'Raptor' '10K' RPM 74 gig SATA and it now sits here because I can't get the thing to load an O/S! Translation: Dunno how! IDE stuff, I decently savvy after many years 'under the hood' and tinkering since the days of the now ancient X286 stuff but today's SATA drives and RAID array fiddlings ...whew! :-( And many websites seem to de facto 'assume' that when you get there you already savvy a good deal about things to know about SATA and RAID and unfortunately they proceed from that premise! Result...at least for me...lost rather quickly! Ahhhh...hopefully comes a friendly email with some needed SATA/RAID O/S hook-up advice [hint!]. Must say though that for all the sims, the IDE drives have done great service over the years but I'm hearing that SATA drives will be the 'wave of the future' and that '150' SATA transfer rate over the present max 133 UDMA drives is just the SATA tip of the iceberg...so they say anyway. Doc Tony ;-) [from afar...] John Ward [-VERY serious-like...] "Can you fly this plane and land it?" Remember that one, Don, and who was in RAS that had some 10 'cooler' fans in their system! Talk about the flick 'AIRPLANE' indeed! Count 'em, 10 mini props so to speak! CPU, PS and video card 'not' included in the tally mind you! ;-) |
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"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" wrote in message
... [...] And many websites seem to de facto 'assume' that when you get there you already savvy a good deal about things to know about SATA and RAID and unfortunately they proceed from that premise! As do the motherboard manufacturers. Having run into a similar problem a year ago, when I put together my first SATA-equipped PC, maybe my experience will be helpful. On the motherboard, which did NOT have any SCSI controller, the BIOS settings still referred to a SCSI controller. Turns out, anywhere it said "SCSI", it actually means SATA. So, you may have to enable your "SCSI" controller somewhere, probably in the XP setup. When XP asks if you have any additional drivers to install, tell it you do, and then you should have drivers that came with the motherboard on a CD you can put in when XP asks you to. Alternatively, there may be something in your BIOS settings to enable the SATA controller and make it appear as an IDE controller to Windows (since it is basically just a different kind of IDE controller). Same thing for booting...you may have to tell the BIOS to boot from the "SCSI" controller to get it to boot from the SATA drive. As the motherboard manufacturers update their BIOS, this stuff should be easier. For now, we're definitely in that "transition" phase. Getting things to work will take equal measures of plain old fiddling around and trying to figure out what shortcuts the hardware manufacturers have taken to get SATA enabled and working. Pete |
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"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" wrote in
: snipped, sacrilege I know Hey, has Al B. been around? The helo instructions still beckon! You know my luck with those egg beaters...to wit...whoop,whoop,whoop...CRASH...[RESET] Whoop,whoop,whoop....CRASH! Doc Tony ;-) Al "B" I'm not familiar with, but if I see him I'll send him your way ;-) Meanwhile, the other Al has pretty much left simming behind, or been left behind by it since he refuses to play Microsoft's Upgrade Roulette - which new version of MS software will no longer run on your old machine? "All of them!" I think he lurks here from time to time, just checking it out, but finds a lot of discussion is now on hardware. Now, Doc's posts have always been that way, but at the same time he has a tremendous amount of fun with his posts too, so he's forgiven handily. But yes, certain names not seen in a long time can probably bring that other Al out of the woodwork. Probably won't have much to contribute, and in fact only recently fired up the sim again for some practice (yes, indeed, in those unstable eggbeaters). But he still has a fine enough touch for flying through hangars in an Aero L-39 Albatross, too... ;-) - Al. -- To reply, insert dash in address to separate G and I in the domain |
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Al Denelsbeck wrote: "Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" wrote in : snipped, sacrilege I know Hey, has Al B. been around? The helo instructions still beckon! You know my luck with those egg beaters...to wit...whoop,whoop,whoop...CRASH...[RESET] Whoop,whoop,whoop....CRASH! Doc Tony ;-) Al "B" I'm not familiar with, but if I see him I'll send him your way ;-) Meanwhile, the other Al has pretty much left simming behind, or been left behind by it since he refuses to play Microsoft's Upgrade Roulette - which new version of MS software will no longer run on your old machine? "All of them!" I think he lurks here from time to time, just checking it out, but finds a lot of discussion is now on hardware. Now, Doc's posts have always been that way, but at the same time he has a tremendous amount of fun with his posts too, so he's forgiven handily. But yes, certain names not seen in a long time can probably bring that other Al out of the woodwork. Probably won't have much to contribute, and in fact only recently fired up the sim again for some practice (yes, indeed, in those unstable eggbeaters). But he still has a fine enough touch for flying through hangars in an Aero L-39 Albatross, too... ;-) - Al. Allll! And we'll quickly make that Al 'D' ! Mea culpa! Mea maxima culpa! [suddenly!] Greasy: "How the $##$# does some 'pagan agnostic' [!] like that Doc Tony character savvy Latin I wanna' know!" Fr. Bill [tongue in cheek] : "Agnostics are not necessarily dumb, Mr. G, .... merely lost!" ;-) [*And trusting mightily in Fr. Bill's decent sparks [read: well working neurons] and his known sense of humor!] Anyway, AL! I've missed you, buddy, and I appreciated your comments [and various others in both the RAS and RAP av groups some months back when my Dad passed and I did the 'Final Flight' post...ohhh yes...many real McCoy pilots here from RAP [rec.av.piloting]...you, Pete Duniho [who I'll respond to as well...and the others who also enjoy flight sims and their known 'adjunctive' value to the real thing [ A Sudden Voice! 'There Doc goes again!']. Where I came up with Al B...dunno...could be another one of the sim and/or real McCoy gang! Hey Al---the helo 'Bluesmobile' --ring a bell? It should ... since you designed it and I still marvel at your helo stuff [and antics] both sim and real deal! But then what can be said about a man who felt that taking off from Meigs with a fully loaded albeit vintage B-36 '6 turnin' and 4 burnin' "Peacemaker" was 'doable' if one had faith in both pilot and machine! It was, I believe, at 'that' point where Fr. Bill made with the ad hoc and prior to your attempt .... 'De Profundis' ! [*'Out of the depths' ]. More later. Doc Tony ;-) |
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Peter Duniho wrote: "Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" wrote in message ... [...] And many websites seem to de facto 'assume' that when you get there you already savvy a good deal about things to know about SATA and RAID and unfortunately they proceed from that premise! As do the motherboard manufacturers. Having run into a similar problem a year ago, when I put together my first SATA-equipped PC, maybe my experience will be helpful. On the motherboard, which did NOT have any SCSI controller, the BIOS settings still referred to a SCSI controller. Turns out, anywhere it said "SCSI", it actually means SATA. So, you may have to enable your "SCSI" controller somewhere, probably in the XP setup. When XP asks if you have any additional drivers to install, tell it you do, and then you should have drivers that came with the motherboard on a CD you can put in when XP asks you to. Alternatively, there may be something in your BIOS settings to enable the SATA controller and make it appear as an IDE controller to Windows (since it is basically just a different kind of IDE controller). Same thing for booting...you may have to tell the BIOS to boot from the "SCSI" controller to get it to boot from the SATA drive. As the motherboard manufacturers update their BIOS, this stuff should be easier. For now, we're definitely in that "transition" phase. Getting things to work will take equal measures of plain old fiddling around and trying to figure out what shortcuts the hardware manufacturers have taken to get SATA enabled and working. Pete Thank you, Pete. THAT was the key...SCSI as stand-in for SATA. Works! Now for phase II ... deciding between RAID [which seems to be a necessity when one gets into the SATA slots...dunno...but otherwise Windows does not show the drives other than in a RAID array and this program that popped up called 'VIA RAID' something or other...mind you, Pete, this is all new to me so I'm sort of dabbling as I go but your input was gold because the SCSI piece in fact got the machine to at least recognize the drive! Much appreciated. Agree about the motherboard thing. I enjoy like many others [not to mention the economic advantages] of putting together their own machine and have been tinkering for years although I make no claim whatsoever to even coming close to a savvy tech but , like the sim hobby, there are always folks willing to help and assist with their talent and tech savvy .. Generally it's a fun deal tinkering 'under the hood' with the machine but then they have to change things via 'progress' and so IDE appears to be going the way of the 10 cent cup of java as SATA drives are the now thing with more and more mb's having the slots just as, relating to the sim hobby, the absence in the newer mb's of the gameport and so USB is the thing...hence my movement into CH's USB yoke. Sidebar: Comes an email...hey Doc...what do you mean prop and mixture foward!..I tried that "on a jet" [sic!] and the thing just turned to the left! Ahhhh! And here I thought I made it clear that the prop and mix 'forward' ONLY applies to the prop planes and obviously 'not' the jets! Perhaps 'Calvera' was right! ;-) Keep in touch, Pete. More than once in the RAP group, I used your VOR comments on the C-152/172 and some of the mystery was broken! Thank the stars for real-thing portable Garmin GPS backup! Doc Tony |
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"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" wrote in message
... Thank you, Pete. THAT was the key...SCSI as stand-in for SATA. Works! Now for phase II ... deciding between RAID [which seems to be a necessity when one gets into the SATA slots...dunno...but otherwise Windows does not show the drives other than in a RAID array and this program that popped up called 'VIA RAID' something or other...mind you, You're welcome. Your SATA is the same as your RAID controller. But that doesn't necessarily mean you have to create a RAID array to get things working. It just means you need to install the appropriate drivers for that controller so that Windows can talk to it. It will work fine as a plain-vanilla disk controller too. In my own case, I didn't take the direct route, so I'm not really certain what the direct route looks like. I had all the same problems you're having now, and so wound up installing Windows onto the drive with the drive attached to the IDE controller, rather than the SATA controller. (This was before SATA drives were commonly available, and so the drives are actually regular old-fashioned parallel ATA drives, with an extra adapter attached to convert to SATA; a little kludgy, but it did allow me to move the drives from one controller to the other as I worked things out). It's almost certain that -- going along my indirect route -- I didn't have to install the Windows drivers for the controller until after I had gotten Windows itself installed and booting, working on the old IDE controller. So in some respects, even though I had many iterations of "unplug the drive, swap the cable, plug it back in", I did simplify the drive installation aspect. Of course, with drives that are actually SATA-only, this isn't an option. But if you have both connectors on the drives, it would be. Just do all the setup (including installing the drivers for the SATA controller) with the drives attached to the old IDE controller. Then move everything over when you're done. By the way, "VIA RAID" makes it sound to me like you've got a SATA/RAID controller that uses a chipset manufacturered by the VIA company. They are well-known for their various motherboard components, so this isn't really a news flash or anything I guess. Just something to keep in mind when you're doing the CD shuffle, looking for the one with the controller drivers. Good luck! Pete |
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Peter Duniho wrote: "Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" wrote in message ... Thank you, Pete. THAT was the key...SCSI as stand-in for SATA. Works! Now for phase II ... deciding between RAID [which seems to be a necessity when one gets into the SATA slots...dunno...but otherwise Windows does not show the drives other than in a RAID array and this program that popped up called 'VIA RAID' something or other...mind you, You're welcome. Your SATA is the same as your RAID controller. But that doesn't necessarily mean you have to create a RAID array to get things working. It just means you need to install the appropriate drivers for that controller so that Windows can talk to it. It will work fine as a plain-vanilla disk controller too. In my own case, I didn't take the direct route, so I'm not really certain what the direct route looks like. I had all the same problems you're having now, and so wound up installing Windows onto the drive with the drive attached to the IDE controller, rather than the SATA controller. (This was before SATA drives were commonly available, and so the drives are actually regular old-fashioned parallel ATA drives, with an extra adapter attached to convert to SATA; a little kludgy, but it did allow me to move the drives from one controller to the other as I worked things out). It's almost certain that -- going along my indirect route -- I didn't have to install the Windows drivers for the controller until after I had gotten Windows itself installed and booting, working on the old IDE controller. So in some respects, even though I had many iterations of "unplug the drive, swap the cable, plug it back in", I did simplify the drive installation aspect. Of course, with drives that are actually SATA-only, this isn't an option. But if you have both connectors on the drives, it would be. Just do all the setup (including installing the drivers for the SATA controller) with the drives attached to the old IDE controller. Then move everything over when you're done. By the way, "VIA RAID" makes it sound to me like you've got a SATA/RAID controller that uses a chipset manufacturered by the VIA company. They are well-known for their various motherboard components, so this isn't really a news flash or anything I guess. Just something to keep in mind when you're doing the CD shuffle, looking for the one with the controller drivers. Good luck! Pete Golden stuff, Pete! Where were you last weekend when I attempted all this SATA/RAID business? ;-) With this info, I'll give it another whirl sometime this week and let you know how it flies...so to speak. Pete..let me stretch your good indulgences here if I may, and I'll even relate this to the sims so the assembled don't think I'm too off-topic with all the machine talk...it's a clear bet that the majority of folks have their flight sims located on various brands and speeds of 'IDE' drives because, hey, IDE is still the reigning type of drive but what about these add-on gizmos like that High Point Tech company "RocketHead [sic] 100" that plugs into the 40 pin IDE drive but then the other side of the gizmo makes it possible to connect [with a SATA data cable] --and-- using Legacy power -- standard Molex 4 prong cable] via another adapter on the thing into the SATA slot. Is this, more or less, simply a means to get the IDE drive onto the SATA slots and 'benefit' from that SATA data cable? I guess what I'm asking is this: If folks don't want the hassle of moving all their sims and systems to SATA drives and wish to retain their main IDE drive, is there any 'speed' advantage to going the IDE to SATA adapter where data now flows through a SATA data cable versus the usual UDMA ribbon cable --or-- is this adapter business merely a means to use IDE's on a SATA slot and thus have less data ribbon clutter but a [for example] UDMA 133 IDE drive will 'not' have any speed advantage [and thus a smoother sim] being connected to SATA controllers nor the use of a SATA data cable..in effect..a 133 UDMA will never go any faster then its rated UDMA rating??? Thanks again, Pete. Doc Tony |
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"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" wrote in message
... Golden stuff, Pete! Where were you last weekend when I attempted all this SATA/RAID business? ;-) Sorry...I must've failed to notice the Bat Signal. I'll try to keep a better eye out next time. [...] but what about these add-on gizmos like that High Point Tech company "RocketHead [sic] 100" that plugs into the 40 pin IDE drive but then the other side of the gizmo makes it possible to connect [with a SATA data cable] --and-- using Legacy power -- standard Molex 4 prong cable] via another adapter on the thing into the SATA slot. Is this, more or less, simply a means to get the IDE drive onto the SATA slots and 'benefit' from that SATA data cable? That's the kind of adapter to which I referred, that I used to install regular IDE drives on my SATA controller. As for why one would do that... I looked at some benchmarks, and it appeared that the SATA controller potentially had a lower CPU utilization than the IDE controller, for high-bandwidth disk access. In my case, I'm dealing with video editing which involves moving huge amounts of data around, often at the same time the CPU is trying to process that data. For games, you are unlikely to be using the disk for significant periods of time during high-CPU-use activities, so it probably wouldn't matter in that respect. As far as the drive access speed itself goes, as it appears you've already surmised there's no benefit to using the faster controller if the disk can't keep up. At this point, no consumer-level drives can even exceed the older ATA 133 speeds, never mind the bandwidth of a SATA controller, so putting a drive on the SATA controller won't help in that respect. In the future, perhaps consumer level drives will be fast enough to warrant using an adapter, but by then I'd guess SATA would be standard issue connectors on all drives anyway. Your guess regarding the cable type is probably the most common reason to put an IDE drive on a SATA controller using one of those adapters. Not only is the "clutter factor" reduced, but airflow through the case is MUCH better, which is very important for those overclocked, maxed-out gaming machines many people like to play their games on. In addition to the CPU-utilization advantage (which, by the way, I've found no conclusive evidence to support, as it turns out...I went back to the benchmarks later and discovered that they had been updated, and the advantage was not so pronounced), another advantage to using an adapter is that IDE drives are still easier to find, and it's a way to put six drives into a box that would otherwise only fit four (four on the IDE controller, plus another two on the SATA controller...or even more if the controller has the extra connections). Finally, perhaps the most interesting advantage for many applications (though not flight simulators) is the question of what happens when you have two disk drives plus an optical drive (CD or DVD). As it turns out, for a given IDE controller, the data rate on the cable is limited to the slowest device on the cable. So putting a hard disk on the same cable as an optical drive can really slow the hard disk down, as the IDE controller reverts to the older ATA66 or even ATA33 standard for the optical drive. On the other hand, if you are trying to copy large amounts of data from one disk to another (as is often the case when dealing with video editing), having both hard disks on the same cable creates a lot of contention between the two drives, as they both try to share the same wires running to the computer. So, a solution to that is to give the optical drive(s) their own IDE controller, and give each hard disk their own IDE or SATA controller. Since pretty much every motherboard comes with only two IDE controllers, then if you also have SATA, you can dedicate a data channel to each storage device by putting one or more on the SATA controller. With the standard two IDE controllers, plus a two-channel SATA controller, you can have three disks each on their own controller (two SATA and one IDE), along with up to two optical drives (both on the same IDE controller, one as master and one as slave), without having any of the storage devices interfering with the others (well, you still get bottlenecks closer to the CPU, and the two optical drives still have to share, but those are less significant issues). I guess in the end, even where there's a potential speed improvement, most users aren't doing the kinds of things where they'd notice the difference. But there are still a few valid reasons for adapting an old IDE drive to a new SATA controller, if you think you might notice the difference, or you just want to rationalize (most of my computer hardware was rationalized, rather than justified ). Just don't pay too much for one of those adapters! Pete |
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"Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" wrote in
: Allll! And we'll quickly make that Al 'D' ! Mea culpa! Mea maxima culpa! Not a problem. I mean, c'mon, look at that name! It's been mangled by everyone who ever hears it, and these are people who just heard me pronounce it. There's a reason I don't market my work under it... ;-) [suddenly!] Greasy: "How the $##$# does some 'pagan agnostic' [!] like that Doc Tony character savvy Latin I wanna' know!" Fr. Bill [tongue in cheek] : "Agnostics are not necessarily dumb, Mr. G, ... merely lost!" Agnosticism?!?!? What kind of approach is that? Of *course* you're lost - atheism is the only way! ;-) ;-) [*And trusting mightily in Fr. Bill's decent sparks [read: well working neurons] and his known sense of humor!] Anyway, AL! I've missed you, buddy, and I appreciated your comments [and various others in both the RAS and RAP av groups some months back when my Dad passed and I did the 'Final Flight' post...ohhh yes...many real McCoy pilots here from RAP [rec.av.piloting]...you, Pete Duniho [who I'll respond to as well...and the others who also enjoy flight sims and their known 'adjunctive' value to the real thing [ A Sudden Voice! 'There Doc goes again!']. Where I came up with Al B...dunno...could be another one of the sim and/or real McCoy gang! Whoops! Ah, I suspect you really *are* thinking of Al B., somewhere. No 'real world' pilot here, though I've been in instruction a couple of times, just couldn't keep money and time auto-coordinated. As they (who?) say, "I'm not a pilot, but I play one on PC". Missed you too, amigo, and was wondering what happened. Glad to see you back and in previous form. Gonna make me start hanging out here again. I might also suggest you check out alt.binaries.pictures.aviation from time to time, too, warning you right now it's addictive. But recently there's been a few posts of your six-n-four there, including the prototype without the four. Hey Al---the helo 'Bluesmobile' --ring a bell? It should ... since you designed it and I still marvel at your helo stuff [and antics] both sim and real deal! But then what can be said about a man who felt that taking off from Meigs with a fully loaded albeit vintage B-36 '6 turnin' and 4 burnin' "Peacemaker" was 'doable' if one had faith in both pilot and machine! It was, I believe, at 'that' point where Fr. Bill made with the ad hoc and prior to your attempt .... 'De Profundis' ! [*'Out of the depths' ]. You'd be interested in knowing that the Bluesmobile still resides on my machine too, as my agile little taxiway-hopper. A little sensitive, but not squirrelly. 'Course, I have a few other custom repaints too... I think I mentioned last time about doing the old C-130 carrier landings, quite amusing. Also found out recently that, due to body and landing gear designs, the B-52 doesn't actually rotate on takeoff, and can't. The wing is mounted at a positive angle-of-attack, and the pilot merely builds speed until lift is achieved while held level. Haven't found a sim model yet that duplicates that (we won't go into what version FS I'm using...). But I admit to not trying it out of Meigs ;-) Oh, and scenery woes. Found a couple of detailed packages for my stomping grounds here in Florida, but they're mutually exclusive due to buffer limits. Grrrrrr! Real shame, because I like them both and fly between them often. But other things have been keeping me busier too, so simming comes in only occasionally. What I'm doing admitting this on a simming newsgroup is anybody's guess... So in closing, I'll leave you with the immortal words of our fearless leader: "Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?" - Al. -- To reply, insert dash in address to separate G and I in the domain |
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Hi Al,
Fascinating, and great to see The Doc's "overcoming it" (I don't say that lightly, Doc' !!). Have you two guys ever had a squizz at alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim? Regards, John "Al Denelsbeck" wrote in message . 6... "Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" wrote in : Allll! And we'll quickly make that Al 'D' ! Mea culpa! Mea maxima culpa! Not a problem. I mean, c'mon, look at that name! It's been mangled by everyone who ever hears it, and these are people who just heard me pronounce it. There's a reason I don't market my work under it... ;-) [suddenly!] Greasy: "How the $##$# does some 'pagan agnostic' [!] like that Doc Tony character savvy Latin I wanna' know!" Fr. Bill [tongue in cheek] : "Agnostics are not necessarily dumb, Mr. G, ... merely lost!" Agnosticism?!?!? What kind of approach is that? Of *course* you're lost - atheism is the only way! ;-) ;-) [*And trusting mightily in Fr. Bill's decent sparks [read: well working neurons] and his known sense of humor!] Anyway, AL! I've missed you, buddy, and I appreciated your comments [and various others in both the RAS and RAP av groups some months back when my Dad passed and I did the 'Final Flight' post...ohhh yes...many real McCoy pilots here from RAP [rec.av.piloting]...you, Pete Duniho [who I'll respond to as well...and the others who also enjoy flight sims and their known 'adjunctive' value to the real thing [ A Sudden Voice! 'There Doc goes again!']. Where I came up with Al B...dunno...could be another one of the sim and/or real McCoy gang! Whoops! Ah, I suspect you really *are* thinking of Al B., somewhere. No 'real world' pilot here, though I've been in instruction a couple of times, just couldn't keep money and time auto-coordinated. As they (who?) say, "I'm not a pilot, but I play one on PC". Missed you too, amigo, and was wondering what happened. Glad to see you back and in previous form. Gonna make me start hanging out here again. I might also suggest you check out alt.binaries.pictures.aviation from time to time, too, warning you right now it's addictive. But recently there's been a few posts of your six-n-four there, including the prototype without the four. Hey Al---the helo 'Bluesmobile' --ring a bell? It should ... since you designed it and I still marvel at your helo stuff [and antics] both sim and real deal! But then what can be said about a man who felt that taking off from Meigs with a fully loaded albeit vintage B-36 '6 turnin' and 4 burnin' "Peacemaker" was 'doable' if one had faith in both pilot and machine! It was, I believe, at 'that' point where Fr. Bill made with the ad hoc and prior to your attempt .... 'De Profundis' ! [*'Out of the depths' ]. You'd be interested in knowing that the Bluesmobile still resides on my machine too, as my agile little taxiway-hopper. A little sensitive, but not squirrelly. 'Course, I have a few other custom repaints too... I think I mentioned last time about doing the old C-130 carrier landings, quite amusing. Also found out recently that, due to body and landing gear designs, the B-52 doesn't actually rotate on takeoff, and can't. The wing is mounted at a positive angle-of-attack, and the pilot merely builds speed until lift is achieved while held level. Haven't found a sim model yet that duplicates that (we won't go into what version FS I'm using...). But I admit to not trying it out of Meigs ;-) Oh, and scenery woes. Found a couple of detailed packages for my stomping grounds here in Florida, but they're mutually exclusive due to buffer limits. Grrrrrr! Real shame, because I like them both and fly between them often. But other things have been keeping me busier too, so simming comes in only occasionally. What I'm doing admitting this on a simming newsgroup is anybody's guess... So in closing, I'll leave you with the immortal words of our fearless leader: "Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?" - Al. -- To reply, insert dash in address to separate G and I in the domain |
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