The FAA sinks deeper into crap over Kentucky accident

FUBAR wrote:


Call the FAA some time and ask how many experienced white
heterosexual males have retired or quit in the last year??

They don't break it down that way but retirements were 465 controllers
in 2005, which was 23% of those eligible to retire. They project 467
for 2006. Retirements will slowly escalate until 2012 when they project
796. Then it will decline. Losses due to quitting, death and outright
removal were 85 last year and are projected to stay that way for the
forseeable future. Hardly FUBAR, FUBAR.

-----Original Message-----
From: FUBAR [mailto Posted At: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:17 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
Conversation: The FAA sinks deeper into crap over Kentucky accident
Subject: The FAA sinks deeper into crap over Kentucky accident


Ok, it is now becoming clear... oldfart must be a disgruntled former
controller that got laid off for some reason he (or she) prefers to
blame on the FAA's diversity policy. The views expressed in his/her
posts are also trying to blame the FAA for obvious pilot error. Again,
it has to be someone else's fault -- specifically the wicked old FAA.

What a pitiful life to have to live where one carries so much pain,
contempt, bigotry, and jealousy. Oldfart has appropriately taken the
moniker of fubar, somewhat like Picasso's self-portrait.

FUBAR wrote:
Sound Familiar? Let's see!

What has the flying public found out so far about the Kentucky tragedy?

We know FAA violated their own orders for minimal ATCT staffing at this
location. We know the Veteran controller was being worked like a dog as
many "Veteran and experienced" controllers and technicians are. (While
many incompetent FAA employees who can't control traffic or repair
sophisticated equipment are promoted into Management to meet diversity
goals)

The controller just missed violating orders regarding sleep requirements
by one hour. We know staffing and funding in the FAA for critical people
like controllers and technicians is cut short. (All while some
contractors swim in FAA tax gravy money treated like Kings and Queens)

We know however that in the FAA the new priority is Diversity and Gay
groups and Female sensitivity boon doggle conferences at resort hotels
funded by a Feminist controlled FAA. Those new priority items are funded
without a problem while veteran controllers and technicians work bizarre
and stressful shifts and in many locations are undermanned.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm................

Repeat after me-FAA-Swarm of lawyer sharks-Wallet-Better be
fat-CHAAAAAAAAAAAA-Chinnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggg!!!


LEXINGTON, Ky. (AP) - The lone air traffic controller on duty the
morning Comair Flight 5191 crashed had only two hours of sleep before
starting work on the overnight shift, a federal investigator said
Wednesday.

National Transportation Safety Board member Debbie Hersman said the
controller had only nine hours off between work shifts Saturday. That
was just enough to meet federal rules, which require a minimum of eight
hours off between shifts, Hersman said.

"He advised our team that he got approximately two hours of sleep,"
Hersman said.

The controller, a 17-year veteran whose name has not been released
publicly, worked from 6:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. on Saturday. He came back
to work at 11:30 p.m. on the same day to begin an eight-hour overnight
shift.

How many more innocent people will die before the FAA rearranges it's
priorities BACK to aviation safety?

How many?
FAA does not mandate sleep; it just requires the controller to be off a
specified time. If the controller only got 2 hours sleep then it wasn't
because the FAA didn't provide enough hours off. The controller had the
opportunity to sleep, just as the pilots did. Most controllers prefer
the condensed shifts because they get a much longer break after a few
shifts.
I don't suppose a mid shift at LEX is overly taxing, so it's not like he
was being worked to death.
Although it would have been nice if the controller caught the pilots
mistake, that's not the job of the controller, so I don't see any
negligence there. If there was a second controller, that one would have
been doing radar duties, the other controller would still be doing what
he was doing.
Even if the controller was ignoring everything else and focused on the
airplane using tunnel vision, he may not have realized what was
happening until too late, and if he tried to call an abort to the pilot
doing a rolling takeoff, then they would have probably blamed the
controller for causing confusion that led to the accident.

JPH

Jim Carter wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: FUBAR [mailto Posted At: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:17 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
Conversation: The FAA sinks deeper into crap over Kentucky accident
Subject: The FAA sinks deeper into crap over Kentucky accident



Ok, it is now becoming clear... oldfart must be a disgruntled former
controller that got laid off for some reason he (or she) prefers to
blame on the FAA's diversity policy. The views expressed in his/her
posts are also trying to blame the FAA for obvious pilot error. Again,
it has to be someone else's fault -- specifically the wicked old FAA.

What a pitiful life to have to live where one carries so much pain,
contempt, bigotry, and jealousy. Oldfart has appropriately taken the
moniker of fubar, somewhat like Picasso's self-portrait.



"wicked old FAA"???

Read this. I believe it mentions the "Wicked old FAA"
Before you talk out your ass, you should understand the
complex nature of accident liability.

In LEX last Sunday, the FAA orders REQUIRED that two
controllers be on duty. You can argue all day it was ALL the
pilots fault or part the controller or bad runway paint
yada-yada-yada

The bottom line IN COURT the FAA will be anal raped without
grease. What part of VIOLATING OFFICIAL FAA ORDERS do you
not understand??

Below is another accident where the FAA VIOLATED their own
orders for your reading enjoyment. Maybe some of you guys
will learn something. You may be good IFR pilots but some of
you are completely clueless when it comes to aircraft
accident liability.

I have no ax to grind. I just know the FAA has MAJOR
problems. I also know that Black Females who were secretarys
a few years ago are now managing the National Airspace
System in high positions in the FAA who are UNQUALIFIED.

Diversity comes before air safety in the FAA

Not good.


The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the
probable cause of the Korean Air flight 801 accident was the
captain’s failure to adequately brief and execute the
nonprecision approach and the first officer’s and flight
engineer’s failure to effectively monitor and cross-check
the captain’s execution of the approach. Contributing to
these failures were the captain’s fatigue and Korean Air’s
inadequate flight crew training. Contributing to the
accident was the Federal Aviation Administration’s (FAA)
intentional inhibition of the minimum safe altitude warning
system (MSAW) at Guam and the agency’s failure to adequately
manage the system.

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2000/AAR0001.htm

"FUBAR" wrote in message
.. .

"wicked old FAA"???

Read this. I believe it mentions the "Wicked old FAA"
Before you talk out your ass, you should understand the complex nature of
accident liability.

In LEX last Sunday, the FAA orders REQUIRED that two controllers be on
duty. You can argue all day it was ALL the pilots fault or part the
controller or bad runway paint yada-yada-yada


You don't seem to understand that the number of controllers on duty did not
contribute to the cause of this accident.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"FUBAR" wrote in message
.. .

"wicked old FAA"???

Read this. I believe it mentions the "Wicked old FAA"
Before you talk out your ass, you should understand the complex nature of
accident liability.

In LEX last Sunday, the FAA orders REQUIRED that two controllers be on
duty. You can argue all day it was ALL the pilots fault or part the
controller or bad runway paint yada-yada-yada



You don't seem to understand that the number of controllers on duty did not
contribute to the cause of this accident.



You don't seem to understand in a court of law it does not
matter. You are thinking step by step pilot logic. The FAA
controller staffing orders were violated. The lawyers will
have a field day with it. All they have to do is convince
the jury that MAYBE? if two controllers were on duty the
crash would not have happened. Toss in the close shift turn
around for the controller on duty and it's over. Obviously
you have never sat on a jury during civil litigation.

The FAA is screwed. The one with the fat pockets is always
screwed in civil court. Sharks always like to feed on the
fattest and slowest and dumbest meat.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven P. McNicoll ]
Posted At: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:14 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
Conversation: The FAA sinks deeper into crap over Kentucky accident
Subject: The FAA sinks deeper into crap over Kentucky accident


....

You don't seem to understand that the number of controllers on duty
did
not
contribute to the cause of this accident.

Oldfart really doesn't care about the cause of the accident Steve, he's
got a gripe with the FAA for some reason only clear to his narrow little
mind so no one's going to pry open his feeble little psyche to the
truth. He has decided that the cause of the accident is all the FAA's
fault and that's all that matters to him. That's why he keeps repeating
his mantra about the FAA being liable because of only one controller on
duty. If the tower had been closed, it still would have been the FAA's
fault somehow. That's the way his mind works...

"FUBAR" wrote in message
.. .

You don't seem to understand in a court of law it does not matter. You are
thinking step by step pilot logic. The FAA controller staffing orders were
violated. The lawyers will have a field day with it. All they have to do
is convince the jury that MAYBE? if two controllers were on duty the crash
would not have happened. Toss in the close shift turn around for the
controller on duty and it's over. Obviously you have never sat on a jury
during civil litigation.

The FAA is screwed. The one with the fat pockets is always screwed in
civil court. Sharks always like to feed on the fattest and slowest and
dumbest meat.


I understand completely. You're talking about liability, everyone else is
talking about the causes of the accident. In a court of law the causes,
facts, and logic are irrelevant. Torts are decided by emotional appeals to
juries.

Jim Carter wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven P. McNicoll ]
Posted At: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:14 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
Conversation: The FAA sinks deeper into crap over Kentucky accident
Subject: The FAA sinks deeper into crap over Kentucky accident



...

You don't seem to understand that the number of controllers on duty

did

not
contribute to the cause of this accident.


Oldfart really doesn't care about the cause of the accident Steve, he's
got a gripe with the FAA for some reason only clear to his narrow little
mind so no one's going to pry open his feeble little psyche to the
truth. He has decided that the cause of the accident is all the FAA's
fault and that's all that matters to him. That's why he keeps repeating
his mantra about the FAA being liable because of only one controller on
duty. If the tower had been closed, it still would have been the FAA's
fault somehow. That's the way his mind works...


My mind works by following FAA orders when I fly. Just like
you do when you fly.

In LEX Sunday the FAA did not follow their own controller
staffing orders. If the FAA does not follow their own
controller staffing orders, why should anybody follow their
orders when flying?

Think about it

FUBAR wrote in news:VyMJg.41100$j8.20509
@bignews7.bellsouth.net:

snip

I have no ax to grind. I just know the FAA has MAJOR
problems. I also know that Black Females who were secretarys
a few years ago are now managing the National Airspace
System in high positions in the FAA who are UNQUALIFIED.

Diversity comes before air safety in the FAA


So your theory is that if there were no Black Females in management at the
FAA then this accident would have been avoided?

Can you elaborate? Did the Black Female manager that you're upset with order
this supposed staffing reduction and violation of the FAA rule? In what way
was she directly responsible for any of this exactly?