Cessna's response to negative feedback on Skycatcher being builtin China

http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C7622/


"Gig601XLBuilder" wrote in message
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http://www.cessnaskycatcher.com/home/124.html

We use slave labor in prisons also......Not just china....



"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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On 2008-01-04 07:29:41 -0800, Gig601XLBuilder
said:

http://www.cessnaskycatcher.com/home/124.html

I guess Cessna does not care about doing business with a country that has
threatened us with nuclear weapons, sells nuclear technology to terrorist
countries, uses slave labor, has an abysmal environmental record, refuses
to respect copyright and patent laws, sells child pornography, has no
respect for human rights or the rule of law, and which would just as soon
steal from Cessna as do business with them.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

NW_Pilot wrote:
We use slave labor in prisons also......Not just china....


Wrong Wrong Wrong.

Prisoners in US are paid for their labor. In some cases paid pretty damn
well considering they are in there because they broke the law and are
supposed to be "paying their debt to society." Also, in most cases
USAian prisoners are not forced to work but opt to to earn credit/money
for use in the prison store, reduce or pay-off any fine/restitution they
were sentenced to pay, and to earn extra "good behavior" time.

I won't even get into the difference in why people are in prison in the
US as opposed to why they are in involuntary servitude in China but
the difference is significant.

For you to equate US prison labor programs to those of China shows you
no nothing about China or US prisons, are a knee-jerk anti-US idiot or
just a plain idiot.

Gig601XLBuilder writes:

For you to equate US prison labor programs to those of China shows you
no nothing about China or US prisons, are a knee-jerk anti-US idiot or
just a plain idiot.

Or a resident of Texas.

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime
where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the
United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction"




"Gig601XLBuilder" wrote in message
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NW_Pilot wrote:
We use slave labor in prisons also......Not just china....


Wrong Wrong Wrong.

Prisoners in US are paid for their labor. In some cases paid pretty damn
well considering they are in there because they broke the law and are
supposed to be "paying their debt to society." Also, in most cases USAian
prisoners are not forced to work but opt to to earn credit/money for use
in the prison store, reduce or pay-off any fine/restitution they were
sentenced to pay, and to earn extra "good behavior" time.

I won't even get into the difference in why people are in prison in the US
as opposed to why they are in involuntary servitude in China but the
difference is significant.

For you to equate US prison labor programs to those of China shows you no
nothing about China or US prisons, are a knee-jerk anti-US idiot or just a
plain idiot.

"Gig601XLBuilder" wrote in message
...
NW_Pilot wrote:
We use slave labor in prisons also......Not just china....

Wrong Wrong Wrong.

Prisoners in US are paid for their labor. In some cases paid pretty damn well
considering they are in there because they broke the law and are supposed to be "paying
their debt to society." Also, in most cases USAian prisoners are not forced to work but
opt to to earn credit/money for use in the prison store, reduce or pay-off any
fine/restitution they were sentenced to pay, and to earn extra "good behavior" time.

I won't even get into the difference in why people are in prison in the US as opposed to
why they are in involuntary servitude in China but the difference is significant.

For you to equate US prison labor programs to those of China shows you no nothing about
China or US prisons, are a knee-jerk anti-US idiot or just a plain idiot.

We also don't use our prisons as spare parts farms for organ transplants.

Advert's like this!!!

"Are you experiencing high employee turnover? Worried about the costs of
employee benefits? Unhappy with out-of-state or offshore suppliers? Getting
hit by overseas competition? Having trouble motivating your workforce?
Thinking about expansion space? Then Washington State Department of
Corrections Private Sector Partnerships is for you."

http://www.washingtonci.com/_content..._overview.aspx

Prisoners get no health care, substandard working conditions, pennies an
hour.... also look up Unicor and do some reading... here is what i found on
wage!

Unicor currently starts out at about $37.00 per month for 160-200 hours per
month.

That's 24 cents or less an hour sounds like a sweat shop wage to me.....

Slavery is legal and taking place in this country.... Most prisons are
privately owned and operated by corporations to make a profit. There are
more prisons then schools being built in this country. In today's America,
the prison/industrial complex has become the new plantation and the warden
has become the new overseer. This is Slavery!!!!

The 13th Amendment authorizes it, "Neither slavery nor involuntary
servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have
been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place
subject to their jurisdiction." The key word here is except!! and being
convicted of a crime "even a minor crime" in the United States is that
exception.

Prisons should be run by government not by private enterprise!!







"Gig601XLBuilder" wrote in message
...
NW_Pilot wrote:
We use slave labor in prisons also......Not just china....


Wrong Wrong Wrong.

Prisoners in US are paid for their labor. In some cases paid pretty damn
well considering they are in there because they broke the law and are
supposed to be "paying their debt to society." Also, in most cases USAian
prisoners are not forced to work but opt to to earn credit/money for use
in the prison store, reduce or pay-off any fine/restitution they were
sentenced to pay, and to earn extra "good behavior" time.

I won't even get into the difference in why people are in prison in the US
as opposed to why they are in involuntary servitude in China but the
difference is significant.

For you to equate US prison labor programs to those of China shows you no
nothing about China or US prisons, are a knee-jerk anti-US idiot or just a
plain idiot.

I didn't care much for the Allegro. The one I flew had a very stiff
rudder - so stiff that once you depressed a rudder pedal it stayed there
unless you pressed the opposite one to manually re-center the rudder.

Eh. Sounds as terrible as a Maule.

I wonder if it has ball bearing pulleys, and if there are any other places
that the friction could be reduced?

It seems like it could be, and needs to be improved, surely.
--
Jim in NC

NW_Pilot wrote:
Advert's like this!!!

"Are you experiencing high employee turnover? Worried about the costs of
employee benefits? Unhappy with out-of-state or offshore suppliers? Getting
hit by overseas competition? Having trouble motivating your workforce?
Thinking about expansion space? Then Washington State Department of
Corrections Private Sector Partnerships is for you."

http://www.washingtonci.com/_content..._overview.aspx

Prisoners get no health care, substandard working conditions, pennies an
hour.... also look up Unicor and do some reading... here is what i found on
wage!

Unicor currently starts out at about $37.00 per month for 160-200 hours per
month.

That's 24 cents or less an hour sounds like a sweat shop wage to me.....

Slavery is legal and taking place in this country.... Most prisons are
privately owned and operated by corporations to make a profit. There are
more prisons then schools being built in this country. In today's America,
the prison/industrial complex has become the new plantation and the warden
has become the new overseer. This is Slavery!!!!

The 13th Amendment authorizes it, "Neither slavery nor involuntary
servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have
been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place
subject to their jurisdiction." The key word here is except!! and being
convicted of a crime "even a minor crime" in the United States is that
exception.

Prisons should be run by government not by private enterprise!!



Slavery is legal in US prisons and it is in the 13th amendment BUT that
doesn't mean it is being used. If you would actually read the website
you posted you will see that the prisoners are paid and even how their
earnings are allocated under the Washington state program.

I love your comment about now health care for prisoners though. They get
that even if they DON'T work. Along with food, shelter and clothing.

You may want to look "research" again there are a handfull of private
prisons that require an inmate to be an Organ Donor. Not legal in
state/federal run facilities only prtivate in a select few states that allow
it. Go google it....

Also look here!!! wonder how much the prison/industrial complex would
gain....

http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=47680


We also don't use our prisons as spare parts farms for organ transplants.