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Peter Duniho wrote: Ahh...I misunderstood. I thought by "rates" you meant those were the hourly rates for those aircraft. I think intro prices are good policy, but yours don't really differentiate your outfit at all. Your intro offering is basically the same one would find pretty much anywhere, and now heavily advertised through http://www.beapilot.com. And we are part of the beapilot program. By intro rates I meant intro rate on the two seater and the one on the 4 seater. We are the only outfit that offers intro rates in Renton Airport. That's when our differentiation comes in. There are other flight schools in the area that don't offer that at all. My motto is, even if I don't make any money on the first flight, you will stick around and finish your private with us. Yup, there's a reason lots of schools and FBOs have a similar policy. I also intentionally don't sell "private pilot packages" because I don't want anyone to sign up and then feel the frustration of not being able to get their money back. Believe me, I have seen really bad flight schools that they will take your money $1000 or more and will never return it because it's hidden in some place on their rental agreement. Couldn't that be addressed by either a) giving the student's money back, or b) not hiding whatever restrictions exist on refunding the money? It could , but most of the local people don't do that.. There have been cases where other flight schools hung on to their customers block money ($200 to $1000) in expense of losing the customer for good. |
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Baha,
Don't worry about what dunaho says. He is NEVER going to use your service. His pleasure only comes from disagreeing with everything anybody posts on this group. Karl "Baha" wrote in message ups.com... Peter Duniho wrote: Ahh...I misunderstood. I thought by "rates" you meant those were the hourly rates for those aircraft. I think intro prices are good policy, but yours don't really differentiate your outfit at all. Your intro offering is basically the same one would find pretty much anywhere, and now heavily advertised through http://www.beapilot.com. And we are part of the beapilot program. By intro rates I meant intro rate on the two seater and the one on the 4 seater. We are the only outfit that offers intro rates in Renton Airport. That's when our differentiation comes in. There are other flight schools in the area that don't offer that at all. My motto is, even if I don't make any money on the first flight, you will stick around and finish your private with us. Yup, there's a reason lots of schools and FBOs have a similar policy. I also intentionally don't sell "private pilot packages" because I don't want anyone to sign up and then feel the frustration of not being able to get their money back. Believe me, I have seen really bad flight schools that they will take your money $1000 or more and will never return it because it's hidden in some place on their rental agreement. Couldn't that be addressed by either a) giving the student's money back, or b) not hiding whatever restrictions exist on refunding the money? It could , but most of the local people don't do that.. There have been cases where other flight schools hung on to their customers block money ($200 to $1000) in expense of losing the customer for good. |
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"kage" wrote in message
... Don't worry about what dunaho says. He is NEVER going to use your service. His pleasure only comes from disagreeing with everything anybody posts on this group. Geez...you can't even spell my name right. Where did I disagree with him? Seems like you've got a big chip on your shoulder, but inventing conflict where none exists isn't going to get you anywhere. |
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Peter Duniho wrote:
= Interesting...I like the idea of introductory rates. Nice to allow someone to try out your rental services at a reduced rate. Back when we had the Navion available for rental we used to give a discount on the rental while you were getting checked out. |
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("Ron Natalie" wrote)
Back when we had the Navion available for rental we used to give a discount on the rental while you were getting checked out. Overall, was renting out your Navion a positive experience, or would you hop in the local Way-Back Machine and tell yourself - don't do it? Montblack |
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Montblack wrote:
("Ron Natalie" wrote) Back when we had the Navion available for rental we used to give a discount on the rental while you were getting checked out. Overall, was renting out your Navion a positive experience, or would you hop in the local Way-Back Machine and tell yourself - don't do it? Well, it would have been nice to allow it to have worked. We had a number of mechanical issues (just us wringing out stuff that we would have found anyhow as private owners). The thing that doomed us was incompetent maintenance shop (honest at least, but incompetent) that kept the plane from being as available as it needed to be and a small taxiing incident with a student that knocked her off the line for a couple of months. The thing that really pulled the plug however was that the insurance for rentals of a lot of things (our operation also had a 170, a 180, and a turbo arrow) got pretty close to unobtainable. We never really had too much of a problem other than we never got the thing rented enough to cover the costs. Insurance (when we could get it) was 3X what it was for private use. I think less and less of the aviation insurance industry every day. It's going to kill aviation faster than rising gas prices are going to. |
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"Ron Natalie" wrote I think less and less of the aviation insurance industry every day. It's going to kill aviation faster than rising gas prices are going to. Give the man a cigar! Insurance is the reaction to litigation, and will always react fast enough to make sure it is the big time winner. Insurance will continue to control more and more property and investments, and where it will stop, I don't know. To get a handle on insurance, we must first get a handle on the legal system. -- Jim in NC |
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