Real glider or RC model?

On Jan 15, 2:19*pm, "Paul Remde" wrote:

While I haven't had much time for modeling in recent years - I don't think
lower cost than the "real thing" is the main reason modelers do it. *I think
they enjoy building the models. *If I had time I would enjoy building glider
models when I can't be flying. *We have long months of poor soaring weather
here in MN this time of year. * *Just a thought.

I agree. I built and flew R/C gliders prior to trying "full scale".
I built from plans, cutting my own foam cores and then vacuum bagging
with fiberglass and carbon fiber. A very satisfying at home workshop
activity. Then seeing your "creation" fly is quite a thrill
(especially if it flies well). Some day I will likely return to R/C.
But for now full scale is just too much of a kick to give up. ;-)

Btw, the toughest part for me in transitioning from R/C to full scale
was learning how to use my feet. Feet aren't required for R/C. For
related reasons, I refuse to use a PC glider flight simulator without
foot pedals. Otherwise one can develop unsafe habits.

Regards,

-Doug

On Jan 15, 5:08*pm, Doug Hoffman wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:19*pm, "Paul Remde" wrote:

While I haven't had much time for modeling in recent years - I don't think
lower cost than the "real thing" is the main reason modelers do it. *I think
they enjoy building the models. *If I had time I would enjoy building glider
models when I can't be flying. *We have long months of poor soaring weather
here in MN this time of year. * *Just a thought.

I agree. *I built and flew R/C gliders prior to trying "full scale".


40 some years ago I had the same experience with a friend. He was an
excellent RC pilot. I was an power CFI. I honestly believe that if the
rudder had been on his left thumb he would have needed no dual at all.
So we swapped. I gave him free dual and he let me use his pattern RC
plane to learn on. It was fun all around. Didn't break anything
either. Dennis B btw, I never did get real good with my left
thumb.


I built from plans, cutting my own foam cores and then vacuum bagging
with fiberglass and carbon fiber. *A very satisfying at home workshop
activity. *Then seeing your "creation" fly is quite a thrill
(especially if it flies well). *Some day I will likely return to R/C.
But for now full scale is just too much of a kick to give up. *;-)

Btw, the toughest part for me in transitioning from R/C to full scale
was learning how to use my feet. *Feet aren't required for R/C. *For
related reasons, I refuse to use a PC glider flight simulator without
foot pedals. *Otherwise one can develop unsafe habits.

Regards,

-Doug

On Jan 15, 1:08*pm, tstock wrote:
Honestly I never understood why anyone would do this. *R/C Modelers
always claim they "can't afford to fly the real thing" so they settle
for models, but they spend more in modeling than it costs to fly real
gliders.

I spent about $3000.00 flying r/c helicopters... but it only cost me
$2500.00 to learn to fly real gliders, and my check ride should be any
time now And I bet that 1/2 scale glider costs more than a Ka6.

-tom

I do both and can attest they both have their place.

Big scale sailplanes are very social for one. They demand spotters,
tow pilots, and pilots all working together.

I have offered a r/c buddy a sailplane ride numerous times and have
made the argument that it is cheaper than flying his 1/4 to 1/2 scale
models. However he refuses to even go because he knows he will love it
but also realizes he does not possess the skill set to make a good
pilot.

/Adam
(1/4 scale Ka-8 and a 1/4 scale CAP on the building board, Jantar in
the barn)

On Jan 15, 1:27*pm, Richard wrote:
On Jan 15, 12:19*pm, db_sonic wrote:





On Jan 15, 11:19*am, "Paul Remde" wrote:

Hi Tom,

While I haven't had much time for modeling in recent years - I don't think
lower cost than the "real thing" is the main reason modelers do it. *I think
they enjoy building the models. *If I had time I would enjoy building glider
models when I can't be flying. *We have long months of poor soaring weather
here in MN this time of year. * *Just a thought.

Paul Remde

Agree with Paul here on why people do this. *There is a lot of
satisfaction in starting with just some basic components and building
something that looks fantastic and flies, in a lot of cases, quite
well. *And the flying itself is extremely challenging. *As challenging
as you want to make it where you can make planes do things full size
can only dream of. *Check this **** out. *One of my buddies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYCZcZEi8rI

DG Airparts holds a contest every summer in Montague for RC Gliders,
Siskiyou County Airport. *Many 50 and 100k model flights.

http://www.xcsoaring.com/index.htm

Richardwww.craggyaero.com- Hide quoted text -

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Hi Richard, I attended the first one Dean held back in 2003? I think
it was, and we probably met.
I always meant to go back and do both full size and model aerotow
there at Montague.
Good to hear they are still holding the contest. I'll have to see if
I can finish that EMS DG808.

Darren

On Jan 15, 6:37*pm, db_sonic wrote:
On Jan 15, 1:27*pm, Richard wrote:





On Jan 15, 12:19*pm, db_sonic wrote:

On Jan 15, 11:19*am, "Paul Remde" wrote:

Hi Tom,

While I haven't had much time for modeling in recent years - I don't think
lower cost than the "real thing" is the main reason modelers do it. *I think
they enjoy building the models. *If I had time I would enjoy building glider
models when I can't be flying. *We have long months of poor soaring weather
here in MN this time of year. * *Just a thought.

Paul Remde

Agree with Paul here on why people do this. *There is a lot of
satisfaction in starting with just some basic components and building
something that looks fantastic and flies, in a lot of cases, quite
well. *And the flying itself is extremely challenging. *As challenging
as you want to make it where you can make planes do things full size
can only dream of. *Check this **** out. *One of my buddies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYCZcZEi8rI

DG Airparts holds a contest every summer in Montague for RC Gliders,
Siskiyou County Airport. *Many 50 and 100k model flights.

http://www.xcsoaring.com/index.htm

Richardwww.craggyaero.com-Hide quoted text -

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Hi Richard, I attended the first one Dean held back in 2003? I think
it was, and we probably met.
I always meant to go back and do both full size and model aerotow
there at Montague.
Good to hear they are still holding the contest. *I'll have to see if
I can finish that EMS DG808.

Darren- Hide quoted text -

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The first XC Soaring contest at Montague was 1998 and has been growing
ever since. I was one of the 100K R/C pilots. Over the years the
emphasis has moved from distance to speed. Just like in the full-
scale world. I've had many flights over 5 hours with my XC racer, but
now that speed is the task I expect that most flights will be under 1
hour on task for the 15-25 miles course.

Check out www.xcsoaring.com for the history and retails.

On Jan 15, 10:11*pm, SoaringXCellence wrote:
On Jan 15, 6:37*pm, db_sonic wrote:





On Jan 15, 1:27*pm, Richard wrote:

On Jan 15, 12:19*pm, db_sonic wrote:

On Jan 15, 11:19*am, "Paul Remde" wrote:

Hi Tom,

While I haven't had much time for modeling in recent years - I don't think
lower cost than the "real thing" is the main reason modelers do it. *I think
they enjoy building the models. *If I had time I would enjoy building glider
models when I can't be flying. *We have long months of poor soaring weather
here in MN this time of year. * *Just a thought.

Paul Remde

Agree with Paul here on why people do this. *There is a lot of
satisfaction in starting with just some basic components and building
something that looks fantastic and flies, in a lot of cases, quite
well. *And the flying itself is extremely challenging. *As challenging
as you want to make it where you can make planes do things full size
can only dream of. *Check this **** out. *One of my buddies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYCZcZEi8rI

DG Airparts holds a contest every summer in Montague for RC Gliders,
Siskiyou County Airport. *Many 50 and 100k model flights.

http://www.xcsoaring.com/index.htm

Richardwww.craggyaero.com-Hidequoted text -

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Hi Richard, I attended the first one Dean held back in 2003? I think
it was, and we probably met.
I always meant to go back and do both full size and model aerotow
there at Montague.
Good to hear they are still holding the contest. *I'll have to see if
I can finish that EMS DG808.

Darren- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The first XC Soaring contest at Montague was 1998 and has been growing
ever since. *I was one of the 100K R/C pilots. *Over the years the
emphasis has moved from distance to speed. *Just like in the full-
scale world. *I've had many flights over 5 hours with my XC racer, but
now that speed is the task I expect that most flights will be under 1
hour on task for the 15-25 miles course.

Check outwww.xcsoaring.comfor the history and retails.- Hide quoted text -

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Oops, meant to say details but Dean also has some retails on the page.

Well, the conclusion I finally came to was that pilots love flying in
planes, and r/c modelers love watching planes fly.

I've been r/c flying for about 25 years, and after flying the real
thing I found r/c got pretty boring and sold almost everything...
except for one... my FPV plane.

-tom

Not a glider, but an R/C teddy bear flying an R/C aircraft: See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTDuG...layer_embedded

Cool, or what?

Chris N.

On Jan 15, 10:11*pm, SoaringXCellence wrote:
On Jan 15, 6:37*pm, db_sonic wrote:





On Jan 15, 1:27*pm, Richard wrote:

On Jan 15, 12:19*pm, db_sonic wrote:

On Jan 15, 11:19*am, "Paul Remde" wrote:

Hi Tom,

While I haven't had much time for modeling in recent years - I don't think
lower cost than the "real thing" is the main reason modelers do it. *I think
they enjoy building the models. *If I had time I would enjoy building glider
models when I can't be flying. *We have long months of poor soaring weather
here in MN this time of year. * *Just a thought.

Paul Remde

Agree with Paul here on why people do this. *There is a lot of
satisfaction in starting with just some basic components and building
something that looks fantastic and flies, in a lot of cases, quite
well. *And the flying itself is extremely challenging. *As challenging
as you want to make it where you can make planes do things full size
can only dream of. *Check this **** out. *One of my buddies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYCZcZEi8rI

DG Airparts holds a contest every summer in Montague for RC Gliders,
Siskiyou County Airport. *Many 50 and 100k model flights.

http://www.xcsoaring.com/index.htm

Richardwww.craggyaero.com-Hidequoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hi Richard, I attended the first one Dean held back in 2003? I think
it was, and we probably met.
I always meant to go back and do both full size and model aerotow
there at Montague.
Good to hear they are still holding the contest. *I'll have to see if
I can finish that EMS DG808.

Darren- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The first XC Soaring contest at Montague was 1998 and has been growing
ever since. *I was one of the 100K R/C pilots. *Over the years the
emphasis has moved from distance to speed. *Just like in the full-
scale world. *I've had many flights over 5 hours with my XC racer, but
now that speed is the task I expect that most flights will be under 1
hour on task for the 15-25 miles course.

Check outwww.xcsoaring.comfor the history and retails.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah, I was referring to the Scale Aerotow they used to have, but I
guess they dont hold it anymore.

On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:13:16 -0800 (PST), db_sonic
wrote:


Ah, I was referring to the Scale Aerotow they used to have, but I
guess they dont hold it anymore.

How about a real scale aerotow?
A 1:2 glider model behind a real-life tow plane...

But of course these are only rumours.