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Old August 28th 18, 01:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Hi,
Can hard wax be replaced by liquid wax application? Of course silicon free, as well as other harmfull adds.
Although i've seen guys maintaining their gliders purely on applying liquid wax regularly, i guess it wont seal & protect the gelcoat as well as a good anual hard wax buffing.
¿Any advice?
Thanks
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Old August 28th 18, 01:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 8:30:22 AM UTC-4, FranCP wrote:
Hi,
Can hard wax be replaced by liquid wax application? Of course silicon free, as well as other harmfull adds.
Although i've seen guys maintaining their gliders purely on applying liquid wax regularly, i guess it wont seal & protect the gelcoat as well as a good anual hard wax buffing.
¿Any advice?
Thanks


Liquid wax is good for maintaining but is not a substitute for the sealing properties of hard wax on polyester finishes.
Hard wax buff, then maintain with liquid wax.
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Old August 28th 18, 04:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Please name a few brands and types of typical "hard wax" for use on gelcoat.
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Old August 28th 18, 04:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Menzerna seems to be the pick of the bunch here in Europe
G18 first and something like M5 or P175 to give it a glossy finish
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Old August 28th 18, 09:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 10:41:06 AM UTC-5, Ross wrote:
Menzerna seems to be the pick of the bunch here in Europe
G18 first and something like M5 or P175 to give it a glossy finish


Generally, we believe that the smoother and more glossy the surface, the better. Is it actually supported by a scientific research? How about the 'stickiness' of certain substances with regards to the airflow, e.g. caused by electrostatic charge? Any thoughts?
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Old September 1st 18, 04:38 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Getting back to "what is hard wax?" M&H tells me it is also known as Jeweler's rouge, a stick of a very hard wax that contains a very fine abrasive such as iron oxide (reddish brown) and is used with a cloth wheel to polish metals (or gelcoat).
It is totally different from softer, protective waxes such as paste wax, Carnuba, etc. and is used as a polishing agent, not for protection.
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Old September 1st 18, 05:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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What is recommended for polyurethane finishes?
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Old September 1st 18, 07:06 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Non silicone containing good quality (preferably UV filtering) car hand application polish is ideal for PU.
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Old September 1st 18, 01:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 11:38:56 PM UTC-4, Soartech wrote:
Getting back to "what is hard wax?" M&H tells me it is also known as Jeweler's rouge, a stick of a very hard wax that contains a very fine abrasive such as iron oxide (reddish brown) and is used with a cloth wheel to polish metals (or gelcoat).
It is totally different from softer, protective waxes such as paste wax, Carnuba, etc. and is used as a polishing agent, not for protection.


The rouge provides polishing action and the wax carrier is deposited on, and worked into the surface by the resulting heat of polishing. This seals the gelcoat.
After completing, I usually go over with Scotchgard Marine Liquid wax to do final clean up and provide added protection. I think M&H does the same thing.
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Old August 28th 18, 04:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I have had good results recently with Big White Hi-Temp Paste Wax. Put in on thin by hand or smooth pad at low rpm with a random orbit machine. Let dry to a haze, hand wipe off with a clean cloth. Buff with a finishing pad at higher rpm.

As with painting, surface prep before waxing is critical for best results. Remove hard water stains (ehite viniger usually works), polish with an ultrafine compound like 3m Finesse-it II (white color). Be careful of the new 3M ultrafine compound for cars that is blue in color, it can stain white gel coat if left on the surface more than a few seconds.

 




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