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CFII question for Approach Gurus
I had a surprise reaction from approach controller while entering the
GPS 23 at UCP: http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0709/05842R23.PDF I was doing a final pre-checkride lesson, and about 25 NW of UCP. In IMC, assigned heading 250 at 4000. I expected the next word would be "advise when you have the New Castle weather" and then "what approach would you like?" But instead we got proceed direct Zarto, cleared GPS 23 approach. OK, so student stayed at 4000, entered the procedure in the 530W and headed to Zarto, no problem. Side note: Notice the two other IAFs at Mercy and Volan. Mercy is on North/South airway, and Volan on East/West. (First question: do we all agree that the note that approach is NA from Volan WESTBOUND makes no sense, it should be EASTBOUND? Similar to NA from Mercy northbound.) Anyway I thought the student might get to Zarto still at 4000 realize there was time to descend to 2600 before Wobut and just turn inbound the few degrees required. The 530 asks "do you want to hold at Zarto" and I saw him pause and think about it and he selected "yes", which seemed like a good answer (the only really correct answer I thought). So as we turned outbound for the hold the controller comes on rather gruffly and says "1234X, where are you going?" I got on and said "...entering the hold as published " and he says "why, that is not authorized, if you want to do it you have to ask.." I pointed out that the only NoPT enteries were from the airways, and anyway we needed to loose altitude in the hold. So controller says "...that is incorrect. All entries in the arc from Volan to Mercy are NoPT!! So where does that come from? Do controllers have a different plate that we use? Also you would think the typo about Volan would have been discovered and corrected. I have pointed out this to NACO, controllers, etc. but it stays in the book. I am sure there have been numerous arrivals at Volan westbound cleared for the approach, which is common sense but violates the plate. So can anyone help to clairfy my understanding and/or straighten out the published word? Would you have entered the hold? By the way I queried the student later about why he did the hold and he said he didn't want to intercept the glide slope (LNAV+V...will be LPV soon) from above in a descent. He thought there might be a "false lobe" or phantom glideslope above as in ILS. We talked about that, so all in all it was a good learning experience for him. |
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