TRSA and /X

Peter Duniho wrote:

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...

But they are not controlled airspace in themselves.


I never said they were. You are correcting a statement that was never made.


[...]
It provides different service. A TRSA provides radar service when
class D does not (generally, although there's almost always a class D
tower in the middle of a TRSA).


So I said.


However some class D's provide
radar services without being TRSA's.


So I said. My statement "It provides a higher level of service than that
offered by most towers in Class D airspace" implies just that, and was
intended to.


TRSA's have the side effect of
not necessarily having all the aircraft within it participate, which
makes it inferior to class D and C.


"Inferior" is in the eye of the beholder. Class D airspace without radar
provides NO separation services. A TRSA provides better separation services
than any non-radar Class D.

Doesn't class D airspace provide separation adjacent to the runway to
prevent collisions?




It's not always class E.


It's always within controlled airspace, and the only exception to the Class
E is when it intersects with Class D. None of that contradicts what I wrote
earlier.


It's NOT controlled airspace.


Again (since you seem to be having a hard time comprehending this): I never
said it was.

Pete

Jose wrote:

No. Why do you ask?


I ask because your question:

Do you know of a TRSA which does not have
Class D airspace in the middle?

in response to Ron's parenthetical comment

...although there's almost always a class D
tower in the middle of a TRSA

implies that
1: there isn't any TRSA without a D, and more to the point
2: Ron should know this, Stephen does, nyah nyah nyah.

You phrase it as a snipe, which comes off as if you are being smug and
superior. Even if you were asking a neutral question because you were
curious, your posting history makes it easy to interpret as a snipe, and
snipes get tiresome, especially when the fine point they are based on
is incorrect or misleading.

Ron's remark ("almost always") remains true even if there are =no= cases
of Dless TRSAs. It implies that there =might= be, but not that there
=are=. So as a snipe at Ron, it misses.

But now I am curious as to your implication that they are impossible.
(Were they actually impossible, Ron's "almost" would be unnecessary,
though not incorrect). Your snipe implies that you know so and want to
belittle him who doesn't, by not telling and instead asking
rhetorically. (If you didn't know, a more pleasant neutral question
would definately be in order.)

Given the earlier discussion about the independence between towers and
class D airspace, I'm curious as to whether these things are in fact
independent, or (as you appeared to imply) not.

And yes, I phrased it as a snipe myself. Sauce for the goose and all.

TRSAs can and do exist in Class G airspace.

Jessica Taylor wrote:


TRSAs can and do exist in Class G airspace.

Such as where?

Dave

"Jose" wrote in message
m...

I ask because your question:

Do you know of a TRSA which does not have
Class D airspace in the middle?

in response to Ron's parenthetical comment

...although there's almost always a class D
tower in the middle of a TRSA

implies that
1: there isn't any TRSA without a D, and more to the point
2: Ron should know this, Stephen does, nyah nyah nyah.


I didn't realize my question implied that. I thought Ron's statement,
"although there's almost always a class D tower in the middle of a TRSA",
suggested he knew of at least one TRSA that did not have Class D airspace
at it's center. How would I phrase an interrogative to clarify that without
implying there isn't any TRSA without Class D airspace, and more to the
point, that Ron should know this, Steven does, nyah nyah nyah?



You phrase it as a snipe, which comes off as if you are being smug and
superior. Even if you were asking a neutral question because you were
curious, your posting history makes it easy to interpret as a snipe, and
snipes get tiresome, especially when the fine point they are based on is
incorrect or misleading.


Gee, I thought it was pretty neutral. It's a pretty simple yes or no
question.



Ron's remark ("almost always") remains true even if there are =no= cases
of Dless TRSAs. It implies that there =might= be, but not that there
=are=. So as a snipe at Ron, it misses.

But now I am curious as to your implication that they are impossible.
(Were they actually impossible, Ron's "almost" would be unnecessary,
though not incorrect). Your snipe implies that you know so and want to
belittle him who doesn't, by not telling and instead asking rhetorically.
(If you didn't know, a more pleasant neutral question would definately be
in order.)

Given the earlier discussion about the independence between towers and
class D airspace, I'm curious as to whether these things are in fact
independent, or (as you appeared to imply) not.

And yes, I phrased it as a snipe myself. Sauce for the goose and all.


You're obviously reading things into messages that are not there. I don't
know why some people insist on doing that. My question to Ron was meant to
ascertain whether he knew of any TRSAs that did not include Class D
airspace, nothing beyond that. I asked because it seems odd that such a
thing would exist. But just because it's odd doesn't mean it's impossible.
For example, I know of two examples of Class D airspace without towered
airports.

"Peter R." wrote in message
...

Yes, I do. The Utica TRSA in central NY, home of Griffiss Approach, at
one time had Griffiss Air Force B-52 airbase as its main airport in the
middle of the airspace. When the Air Force closed the airbase several
years ago,
the airport became an uncontrolled airport (with a single 11,800 foot
runway).

However, the TRSA remains, presumably, for Oneida Cty airport. If you
look at the sectional you will note that this class D airport is south of
the
"middle" of the TRSA, properly satisfying the criteria of your question.


"Middle" came from Ron's statement. I'm sure he meant a TRSA without Class
D airspace, as did I.

"Jessica Taylor" wrote in message
news

TRSAs also exist in Class G airspace as well.


Which TRSAs exist in Class G airspace?

"Jessica Taylor" wrote in message
news

Doesn't class D airspace provide separation adjacent to the runway to
prevent collisions?


All towers provide runway separation, that has nothing to do with airspace
classification.

"Jessica Taylor" wrote in message
news

TRSAs can and do exist in Class G airspace.


Which TRSAs exist in Class G airspace?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Middle" came from Ron's statement. I'm sure he meant a TRSA without Class
D airspace, as did I.

I realize what he meant, but since you have quite the reputation in these
groups to literally interpret posts and respond accordingly, I thought I
would have a little fun with you.

--
Peter


















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"Peter R." wrote in message
...

I realize what he meant, but since you have quite the reputation in these
groups to literally interpret posts and respond accordingly, I thought I
would have a little fun with you.


Well, if you find amusement in making yourself look foolish, then I'm glad I
could help.