Go around, NOW!!

Jim...

The operative word here is "eligible". The statement is true on its face --
only Great Lakes region controllers are eligible. However, being "eligible"
and being "selected" are two totally different things.

I am "eligible" to pitch for the Red Sox this year. My chances of being
selected are slim.

Jim in GV



"Morgans" wrote in message
...

I understand that only the best controllers get selected for OSH duty

No. Anybody from the Great Lakes region, and only that region, is
eligible. That's the only criteria.

Just curious; where did you get that information?
--
Jim in NC

Brad Zeigler wrote:
Speaking of controllers on duty, I learned during a recent tower visit that
there is only one controller on duty during the overnight at my local Class
C tower. Who handles tower duties when the controller has to do a "number
two"?

Nobody, you just go.

Morgans wrote:

I understand that only the best controllers get selected for OSH duty

No. Anybody from the Great Lakes region, and only that region, is
eligible. That's the only criteria.


Just curious; where did you get that information?

I worked at GFK for 4 years. Every January the bid for OSH comes out.
Anybody interested fills out the paperwork and sends it in. To say that
only the best work at OSH is a joke. Same goes for Sun N Fun, only
Southern region controlelrs need apply. It's a government boondoggle.
Always has been. Out here in the West our boondoggle is fire towers.

Colin W Kingsbury wrote:

"Brad Zeigler" wrote in message
...

Speaking of controllers on duty, I learned during a recent tower visit

that

there is only one controller on duty during the overnight at my local

Class

C tower. Who handles tower duties when the controller has to do a "number
two"?


Approach?

Nope, there's one guy in the facility. Period.


Or maybe they keep a handheld handy...

Yeah, but they don't work too good from the ****ter.

Unfortunately I have suffered a similar outburst from New York
Departure/Approach on 118.0, and often hear other pilots being given a
verbal bashing. New York is understaffed and has recently been held
accountable for a number of errors, and I guess the stress must be too much
for some. There are two in particular that I dread to hear when I switch
over, and sure enough I had the misfortune to be stuck with one a couple of
weeks ago when I took my first solo trip away from the airport to a practice
area north of ISP. I understand the importance of the job they provide, but
some just do not seem capable of acting professionaly when under stress.

That being said, there are two ways to ruin my day. One being to yell
unprofessionally, and the second failing to provide my separation. Yell if
you must!

On the flips-side, thanks go to the controllers at ISP who have been more
than accomodating during my training, even when I probably did deserve more
than a correction or gentle reminder

Trevor Cudmore

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
...
This past Sunday, while visiting Lawrenceville, GA (KLZU Class C just
under
the outer ATL Class B), traffic was landing and departing 25. The
controller was busy, coordinating with Atlanta, handling clearance
delivery,
ground, and tower simultaneously. He was broadcasting on all frequencies,
while receiving GC/CD and Tower separately. We started engines and
prepared
to call for taxi instructions when I heard him blurt out "Cessna 1234 go
around NOW!!! YOU ARE LINED UP WITH RUNWAY 7, YOU WERE CLEARED TO LAND
RUNWAY 25, 25 IS THE ACTIVE RUNWAY, RIGHT TURN, GO AROUND NOW!!! I HAVE
LANDING TRAFFIC 25!!" (this guy was rightfully ****ed and obviously
rattled) Then he issued a right turn and a go around to traffic landing
25
and lit into the Cessna driver again. "What were you doing? why were you
landing runway 7, I cleared you #2 on 25" The Cessna pilot must have
responded with some excuse about a mistake and the controller came back
"mistakes are what get people in airplanes killed, next time you make sure
you know where you are! Now join a left downwind for Runway 25, that's
runway 25, traffic at your 3:00 opposite direction, a Piper on an upwind
leg
for runway 25, I said runway 25!"

On the whole, NY approach does a pretty fantastic job of shoe-horning us
VFR guys into their airspace. Today was an exception, I left Bridgeport
destined for Morristown and requested a Bravo clearance to MMU, I've
done this many times before and usually if you're willing to accept
altitude and headings to get you out of their way, they do a great job
of getting you from one side to the other. Today wasn't one of them. I
got a squawk from the sector controller for Bridgeport and he handed me
off to the controller responsible for Bravo clearances. I was at 3500
by that point but not that close to the Bravo. I was turned down flat
for the clearance. At that point I scooted down to 2500 and skirted
HPN's Delta, swung over Westchester to the Hudson river and then called
Morristowns sector controller near the Alpine tower. He was less
stressed I guess and hooked me up with more or less a straight flight to
MMU clearing me through Caldwell's delta. The trip home tonight was a
breeze, was given a squawk on initial call up and after a vector to get
me out of TEB's arrival, was cleared up into the bravo and direct
Bridgeport. Gotta love that. It's a real joy to be able to fly in
amongst the heavy iron and treated with more or less the same status as
them. You can't do that in Chicago, no transitions allowed.

Overworked for sure, but they do a good job.

Robert


Trevor Cudmore wrote:

Unfortunately I have suffered a similar outburst from New York
Departure/Approach on 118.0, and often hear other pilots being given a
verbal bashing. New York is understaffed and has recently been held
accountable for a number of errors, and I guess the stress must be too much
for some. There are two in particular that I dread to hear when I switch
over, and sure enough I had the misfortune to be stuck with one a couple of
weeks ago when I took my first solo trip away from the airport to a practice
area north of ISP. I understand the importance of the job they provide, but
some just do not seem capable of acting professionaly when under stress.

That being said, there are two ways to ruin my day. One being to yell
unprofessionally, and the second failing to provide my separation. Yell if
you must!

On the flips-side, thanks go to the controllers at ISP who have been more
than accomodating during my training, even when I probably did deserve more
than a correction or gentle reminder

Trevor Cudmore

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
...

This past Sunday, while visiting Lawrenceville, GA (KLZU Class C just
under
the outer ATL Class B), traffic was landing and departing 25. The
controller was busy, coordinating with Atlanta, handling clearance
delivery,
ground, and tower simultaneously. He was broadcasting on all frequencies,
while receiving GC/CD and Tower separately. We started engines and
prepared
to call for taxi instructions when I heard him blurt out "Cessna 1234 go
around NOW!!! YOU ARE LINED UP WITH RUNWAY 7, YOU WERE CLEARED TO LAND
RUNWAY 25, 25 IS THE ACTIVE RUNWAY, RIGHT TURN, GO AROUND NOW!!! I HAVE
LANDING TRAFFIC 25!!" (this guy was rightfully ****ed and obviously
rattled) Then he issued a right turn and a go around to traffic landing
25
and lit into the Cessna driver again. "What were you doing? why were you
landing runway 7, I cleared you #2 on 25" The Cessna pilot must have
responded with some excuse about a mistake and the controller came back
"mistakes are what get people in airplanes killed, next time you make sure
you know where you are! Now join a left downwind for Runway 25, that's
runway 25, traffic at your 3:00 opposite direction, a Piper on an upwind
leg
for runway 25, I said runway 25!"

Dudley Henriques wrote:
Just an opinion on this if I may please;

This type of outburst on an open tower frequency could lead to a disaster.
Although it happens from time to time, it's not good professional
operational practice for several reasons, the most important of these being
flight safety.

I agree with Dudley 100%. The place to discuss problems is off-frequency.
None of this "Say Initials Bull****" reqiured either. Just note the time
and the frequency and call the supervisor during the next convenient office
hours. Been there, done that.

Newps wrote:

No. Anybody from the Great Lakes region, and only that region, is
eligible. That's the only criteria.

It used to be that they were selected and invited based on their
ability. Now it's doled out as a union perk.