Ack!! video A320 xwind in Germany

On Mar 4, 1:04 am, Jim Logajan wrote:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...538926,00.html

Scroll to the bottom for an editor's note: "An earlier version of this
story contained information from German wire service DPA that listed the
strength of storm winds near the airport at 250 kilometers-per-hour (155
miles per hour)."


Jim, it was the plane that was traveling @ 155 mph

Ramapriya

On Mar 3, 12:57*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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On Mar 3, 1:50*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"gatt" wrote in news:13sol8u8jlhokb5
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WTF kind of crosswind does it take to cause this?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ddb_1204404185

Wasn't so much the crosswind as the technique used to deal with it.

Bertie

Hah, I was about to post this vid and ask Bertie about it.

He crabbed in, then straightening out his upwind wing (not lowered)
got caught by the x wind.

I've seen numerous vids of jetliners crabbing in.

So if he'd sideslipped in with the upwind wing down and HELD it after
touch down maybe that is what would have worked? I'm assuming the the
GA approach holds for jetliners, like I said, I can't tell if I've
ever seen a jetliner sideslip vid.

If that's not the way, what is (other than the obvious find a better
runway option).

Well, if ground clearance isn;t an issue, and it isn't for most, the
technique is the same except most guys who slip just do it as they enter
the flare, crabbing up to that point.

Yea, that's call the "crab and kick" its common with jet jocks and,
sadly, becoming the most common way CFI's teach in C-150's today. I'm
still a big fan of the slipping method because my background is
taildraggers and the crab&kick method doesn't work in taildraggers.

-robert, CFII

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in news:5e393001-314a-46e0-aeb0-
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the flare, crabbing up to that point.

Yea, that's call the "crab and kick" its common with jet jocks and,
sadly, becoming the most common way CFI's teach in C-150's today. I'm
still a big fan of the slipping method because my background is
taildraggers and the crab&kick method doesn't work in taildraggers.

Doesn't really work all that well with anything, but it's a neccesary evil
in some airplanes. High performance fighter jets have to do it and some
airliners, especially four engined ones, but the video clearly illustrates
why, in max winds, it's just nowhere near as effective.

Bertie

D Ramapriya wrote in news:706e02c1-4a48-4b69-91e9-
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On Mar 4, 1:04 am, Jim Logajan wrote:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...538926,00.html

Scroll to the bottom for an editor's note: "An earlier version of this
story contained information from German wire service DPA that listed the
strength of storm winds near the airport at 250 kilometers-per-hour (155
miles per hour)."


Jim, it was the plane that was traveling @ 155 mph

Ramapriya


On the local CBS news tonight (Channel 5, San Francisco) they stated the
winds were 150 miles per hour.

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D Ramapriya wrote in
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On Mar 4, 1:04 am, Jim Logajan wrote:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...538926,00.html

Scroll to the bottom for an editor's note: "An earlier version of
this story contained information from German wire service DPA that
listed the strength of storm winds near the airport at 250
kilometers-per-hour (155 miles per hour)."


Jim, it was the plane that was traveling @ 155 mph

Ramapriya


On the local CBS news tonight (Channel 5, San Francisco) they stated
the winds were 150 miles per hour.

They weren't. If they had been, the A320 would have climbed away vetically.
I was inthe area at the time, BTW, and it was blowing about 50 in the
gusts.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Doesn't really work all that well with anything, but it's a neccesary evil
in some airplanes. High performance fighter jets have to do it and some
airliners, especially four engined ones,

And most gliders. The issue is ground clearance with those long wings. I
was originally a glider pilot and I still have to think ahead and hold my mouth
just right before I can slip a power plane all the way down to touchdown.

Vaughn

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D Ramapriya wrote in
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On Mar 4, 1:04 am, Jim Logajan wrote:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...538926,00.html

Scroll to the bottom for an editor's note: "An earlier version of
this story contained information from German wire service DPA that
listed the strength of storm winds near the airport at 250
kilometers-per-hour (155 miles per hour)."


Jim, it was the plane that was traveling @ 155 mph

Ramapriya


On the local CBS news tonight (Channel 5, San Francisco) they stated
the winds were 150 miles per hour.

They weren't. If they had been, the A320 would have climbed away vetically.
I was inthe area at the time, BTW, and it was blowing about 50 in the
gusts.


Bertie

It still raises a couple of questions:

1. Why did ATC direct them to a runway with such an excessive crosswind?

2. Why did the Captain accept such a clearance?

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote in
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Marty Shapiro wrote in
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D Ramapriya wrote in
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On Mar 4, 1:04 am, Jim Logajan wrote:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...538926,00.html

Scroll to the bottom for an editor's note: "An earlier version of
this story contained information from German wire service DPA that
listed the strength of storm winds near the airport at 250
kilometers-per-hour (155 miles per hour)."


Jim, it was the plane that was traveling @ 155 mph

Ramapriya


On the local CBS news tonight (Channel 5, San Francisco) they stated
the winds were 150 miles per hour.

They weren't. If they had been, the A320 would have climbed away
vetically. I was inthe area at the time, BTW, and it was blowing about
50 in the gusts.


Bertie

Accuracy from a news report regarding aviation -- no way! Not only did
they say it was a 150 MPH crosswind, they also stated that both wings hit
the runway.

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"gatt" wrote in message
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WTF kind of crosswind does it take to cause this?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ddb_1204404185

Why did the pilot even start the approach with such high and gusty winds?
Also, what is Lufthansa's policy regarding Max Crosswinds? What does the
POH say the Max Demonstrated Crosswind capability is?

After crabbing for awhile, it looks like he tried to slip. Then when the
plane hit the runway, the landing gear made it fly level. The wind caught
under the right wing and nearly flipped the plane. I'm glad he flew out of
the situation rather than trying to kill the power and stearing out.

"Stubby" wrote in
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"gatt" wrote in message
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WTF kind of crosswind does it take to cause this?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ddb_1204404185

Why did the pilot even start the approach with such high and gusty
winds? Also, what is Lufthansa's policy regarding Max Crosswinds?

It's normal to do so when it's within limits.

What does the POH say the Max Demonstrated Crosswind capability is?

We don't have POH's. We have an AFM which is effectively the same thing

After crabbing for awhile, it looks like he tried to slip.

Nope.


Then when
the plane hit the runway, the landing gear made it fly level.


Nope.


The
wind caught under the right wing and nearly flipped the plane. I'm
glad he flew out of the situation rather than trying to kill the power
and stearing out.



Nope.


Bertie