Europe as joke

From: bufdrvr@

what is highly likely over the next four years is the movement
of European based US forces east and southeast. Naval, Air and land forces
will
move closer to where the action is (Asia) and in return for huge investment
(bases need to be modernized) they'll find a more accepting population,
better
training spaces and much more cooperative governments. I think we'll keep
some
of the headquartersin western Europe, but every other uniformed US personel
will leave where they are currently stationed. Should be interesting.

What may also prove interesting is how fleeting Russia's schmoozing with France
and Germany may prove to be, as Russia's financial interests may lie much more
with the US of A, as witness this recent press release:

"President Vladimir Putin of the Russian Federation attended a LUKOIL gas
station opening ceremony in New York City today.

The gas station, carrying the LUKOIL brand, is part of a Restructuring Program
being implemented by OAO LUKOIL (‘LUKOIL’) as a follow up to its
acquisition of Getty Petroleum Marketing Inc. (‘Getty Petroleum’) of the
USA. There are some 30 gas stations operating under the LUKOIL brand in the
states of New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. The number of such stations in
the North Eastern states is expected to gradually grow.

Business restructuring in the United States also envisages supplies of Russian
petroleum products. In May 2004 LUKOIL plans to start deliveries of petroleum
products to the United States via a terminal on the island of Vysotsky,
Leningrad region. A special terminal to receive the Russian deliveries has been
leased in NYC and is now being revamped.

At a later stage, LUKOIL plans to begin crude supplies from Timan Pechora oil
and gas province.

LUKOIL acquired Getty Petroleum in 2000 for USD71 million. Getty Petroleum
operates nearly 1,300 gas stations in 13 states in the North Eastern United
States plus nine tank farms. It owns a fleet of 170 tank trucks. Every year
Getty Petroleum distributes more than one billion gallons of automobile fuel.
Getty Petroleum has control of 4% of the oil products market in the areas where
it operates. Its revenues in 2002 exceeded USD1 billion, while its assets
totaled USD225.6 million.

«LUKOIL’s joining the US retail fuel market contributes to more diversified
deliveries of petroleum products. Here, in the United States, we are going to
confirm LUKOIL’s high reputation and its commitment to high ethical standards
in business », said Vagit Alekperov, President of LUKOIL."

This should drive the "everything is about oil" conspiracy theorist nuts.

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Always wondered where your sig came from and what it means. Finally saw Dr.
Strangelove for the first time and now know where it comes from (still not sure
what it means). Loved the movie. My favorite line was "Gentlemen, you can't
fight in here--this is the War Room!"


Chris Mark

On 25 Oct 2003 17:32:07 GMT, (BUFDRVR) wrote:

We should pull all of our Forces out of Europe, and state that they will
never
return. We have defended those weak kneed little ****s long enough, time
for them to do their own dirty work!!!! We should also kill any arms deals
with
France and Germany.

Not likely, but what is highly likely over the next four years is the movement
of European based US forces east and southeast. Naval, Air and land forces will
move closer to where the action is (Asia) and in return for huge investment
(bases need to be modernized) they'll find a more accepting population, better
training spaces and much more cooperative governments. I think we'll keep some
of the headquartersin western Europe, but every other uniformed US personel
will leave where they are currently stationed. Should be interesting.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Roger that. I was a bit upset when I posted the above, but while my language may
have been intemperate, my position is the same. I guess I need to be more accurate
with my definition of "Europe", I have no problem with US troops in Poland, etc, but
Germany, France, Belgium, etc should never again see a US Soldier on their
soil, or cooperating with their "forces".

Al Minyard

In article ,
"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote:

"Cub Driver" a écrit dans le message de news:
...

How can anyone take Europe seriously as a force in the world?

It's easy. Don't forget why Irak has to be rebuilt.

Thirty years of Europe ignoring the problem, for one.

The amount of damage caused by Us forces pales in comparison to what
their own government had done. Hell, we're spending millions upon
millions rebuilding schools and hospitals that had no war damage
whatsoever.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

Chad Irby wrote:

In article ,
"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote:

"Cub Driver" a écrit dans le message de news:
...

How can anyone take Europe seriously as a force in the world?

It's easy. Don't forget why Irak has to be rebuilt.

Thirty years of Europe ignoring the problem, for one.

The amount of damage caused by Us forces pales in comparison to what
their own government had done. Hell, we're spending millions upon
millions rebuilding schools and hospitals that had no war damage
whatsoever.

Read Pax Salam, the Iraqi web logger from Baghdad.

According to him, Iraqis were less afraid of American bombers than
Iraqi AAA coming back down on them!

There was very little damage to Iraq from the war. Remarkably so!

Thirty years of incompetent despotism was another matter.


SMH

You destruct Irak, Why we must pay ?

--
Franck

www.pegase-airshow.com
www.picavia.com

You destruct Irak, Why we must pay ?

You were unable to handle a uniquely European problem in the Balkans, why must
we continue to pay?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

(BUFDRVR) schrieb:

You were unable to handle a uniquely European problem in the Balkans, why must
we continue to pay?

Since when is a genocide a "uniquely European problem"? It happened in
Europe, but it could have happened anywhere else.

It is a problem that concerns any nation. Nobody should be allowed to
turn away from it and every nation which is up to the task has to take
the responsibilty to fight the genocide.

Europe lacked the structure and abilities at that moment - but this
was a result of the cold war, of policies made in the USA _and_ in
Europe.

BUFDRVR

Gruss, Roman

In article ,
Roman J. Rohleder wrote:

(BUFDRVR) schrieb:

You were unable to handle a uniquely European problem in the
Balkans, why must we continue to pay?

Since when is a genocide a "uniquely European problem"?

Well, it's much more *professional* in Europe....

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

Chad Irby schrieb:

You were unable to handle a uniquely European problem in the
Balkans, why must we continue to pay?

Since when is a genocide a "uniquely European problem"?

Well, it's much more *professional* in Europe....


It´s not a topic jerk with.

First, genocides are not limited to Europe (just a glimpse.. besides
german crimes in 1930/1940s, there had been genocidal events in all
parts of the world: Turkey/Armenia, North and South America,
Indonesia, and many more. :-( ).

Second, I was referring to those who had the chance to interact and
prevent more cruelties. It is a crime to stand by if you have the
ability to jump in as much as it is to leave before the task is done.
The Balkan isn´t settled yet as the Kosovo and recent rumours and
events in Serbia prove.

Gruss, Roman

On or about Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:32:37 GMT, Chad Irby
allegedly uttered:

In article ,
Roman J. Rohleder wrote:

(BUFDRVR) schrieb:

You were unable to handle a uniquely European problem in the
Balkans, why must we continue to pay?

Since when is a genocide a "uniquely European problem"?

Well, it's much more *professional* in Europe....

The wonders of modern technology. Do you think gas chambers wouldn't
have been considered had they been available when the US was wiping
out it's native savages? Or do you think the US forces would have
preferred more home crafted slaughter - each bullet fired by a trained
artisan?

Let he who is without sin.......
---
Peter Kemp

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