Instrument Student Pilot Filing IFR

Brain the size of a planet and here I am reading Usenet ;0

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:14:35 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

Trillian?

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:32:52 -0500, Dave Butler wrote:

Roy N5804F wrote:

The consensus seems to be that an instrument student cannot file an IFR plan
in his own name.

Careful with the words can and can not. The student can do anything.
They may not doing it legally. One implies the ability to do so and
the other has implicit permission.

Let's be precise. The instrument student may file all the flight plans
he cares to. He just can't accept a clearance.

We may be getting hung up in scemantics here, but:
How so? I filed (Instrument training flight) in actual, called on the
RCO, or now GCO for the clearance,read back clearance, Accepted
vectors and the instructor sat there and watched. Had I screwed up he
would have said something. This was the last actual IFR in IMC cross
country before the check ride, but as far as the filing and accepting
clearances he had me doing that from day one.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger wrote:
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:32:52 -0500, Dave Butler wrote:
Let's be precise. The instrument student may file all the flight plans
he cares to. He just can't accept a clearance.


We may be getting hung up in scemantics here, but:
How so? I filed (Instrument training flight) in actual, called on the
RCO, or now GCO for the clearance,read back clearance, Accepted
vectors and the instructor sat there and watched. Had I screwed up he
would have said something. This was the last actual IFR in IMC cross
country before the check ride, but as far as the filing and accepting
clearances he had me doing that from day one.

As has been discussed in other postings on this thread, the instructor
is acting as PIC and accepts the clearance by proxy.

Dave Butler wrote:

*****
ATC sees the first few characters of the REMARKS, but the string length
is limited. I forget how many characters they see. e.g. if I remark
"PLA FAY", ATC knows I plan to do practice low approaches at
Fayetteville.
*****

I don't know offhand the number of characters that are passed to us at
center, but it is far more than a few. Some military flight plans have
extensive remarks that I imagine can exceed 100 characters.

There's not much need to abbreviate if it's only a few words. It can
cause confusion if it's not a common abbreviation (even if it is used
extensively elsewhere). I remember the first time someone abbreviated
"pick up airborne" as PUP AIRBORNE. I asked them if they'd be
descending slowly to protect the dog's ears. ;-)


Chad Speer
PP-ASEL, IA
ATCS, Kansas City ARTCC