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A Call to Arms from Richard VanGrunsven
Blueskies wrote:
"Ron Lee" wrote in message ... Acepilot wrote: What is a "Pro Built"? I would take it to mean that an experimental "kit" was built by somebody like Cessna or Piper, etc. As an amateur builder, am I a "novice" when I complete it? Will I turn pro after I finish a second one? I'd tend to say that an airplane built by Joe Blow for somebody else is still amateur built, but the owner who applies for the repairman certificate should not be able to get it if they themselves did not build 51%. Scott "pro built" in my message means that you pay someone to build it. Ron Lee Why should this not be allowed? This is a free country, maybe... It is allowed. They jet have to get it certified. |
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A Call to Arms from Richard VanGrunsven
cavelamb himself wrote:
Wouldn't you love to see the RV-6 as a certified airplane! Sure. It would cost $300K though. |
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A Call to Arms from Richard VanGrunsven
WJRFlyBoy wrote:
Cessna goes to China to get the Skyscraper at a reasonable price. Yet we have USA built planes off better value that are restricted from my purchase because I can't flip fiberglass? Here's the problem. You can buy a completely built EXP-HB completely legally. You just can't buy it from someone that didn't build it for "Recreation and Education." |
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A Call to Arms from Richard VanGrunsven
WJRFlyBoy wrote:
On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 06:45:03 GMT, wrote: In rec.aviation.piloting WJRFlyBoy wrote: Yet I can't buy a completely built kit/plans plane. Sure you can. See any airplanes for sale web site. You just can't buy one and have the same privilges as the original builder. -- Jim Pennino Ok, what rights do I lose and why do I lose them? The ability to get the repairman's certificate. Which basically makes you an IA for that particular aircraft. |
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A Call to Arms from Richard VanGrunsven
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WJRFlyBoy wrote in : On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 06:45:03 GMT, wrote: In rec.aviation.piloting WJRFlyBoy wrote: Yet I can't buy a completely built kit/plans plane. Sure you can. See any airplanes for sale web site. You just can't buy one and have the same privilges as the original builder. -- Jim Pennino Ok, what rights do I lose and why do I lose them? the origianl builder is the manufacturer. He can effect any maintenance or repeair on the airplane he likes...You buy it , you can't. That's not exactly right Bertie. You can work on the plane, anyone can, what you can't do is sign off the annual inspection. |
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A Call to Arms from Richard VanGrunsven
WingFlaps wrote:
On Mar 8, 5:36 am, Gig 601XL Builder wrote: He got his money back in the deal after his lawyer made it very clear that there would either be a wire in the buyers account that day or a call would be made to the FAA.- Hide quoted text - Isn't that blackmail? Cheers Yes, it is. But then so is your average plea bargain. |
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A Call to Arms from Richard VanGrunsven
Jim Logajan wrote:
The FAA is about to make it a whole hell of a lot harder for people to build safe amateur built aircraft. Richard VanGrunsven, founder of one of the most successful kit aircraft companies, has written up a warning and a call to arms about the issue. You can read it beginning on page 3 of this document: http://doc.vansaircraft.com/RVator/2...008-RVator.pdf Well, Jim, Looks like your "call to arms" call backfired on ya... |
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A Call to Arms from Richard VanGrunsven
cavelamb himself wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote: The FAA is about to make it a whole hell of a lot harder for people to build safe amateur built aircraft. Richard VanGrunsven, founder of one of the most successful kit aircraft companies, has written up a warning and a call to arms about the issue. You can read it beginning on page 3 of this document: http://doc.vansaircraft.com/RVator/2...008-RVator.pdf Well, Jim, Looks like your "call to arms" call backfired on ya... _My_ call to arms? Huh?? If Richard VanGrunsven's call to arms backfired, it may be because people no longer actually read what is written. They can't even get attributions correct. So if they can't figure out who originated a call to arms, I guess it is not surprising they get a clean miss on the central thesis. |
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A Call to Arms from Richard VanGrunsven
Jim Logajan wrote:
cavelamb himself wrote: Jim Logajan wrote: The FAA is about to make it a whole hell of a lot harder for people to build safe amateur built aircraft. Richard VanGrunsven, founder of one of the most successful kit aircraft companies, has written up a warning and a call to arms about the issue. You can read it beginning on page 3 of this document: http://doc.vansaircraft.com/RVator/2...008-RVator.pdf Well, Jim, Looks like your "call to arms" call backfired on ya... _My_ call to arms? Huh?? If Richard VanGrunsven's call to arms backfired, it may be because people no longer actually read what is written. They can't even get attributions correct. So if they can't figure out who originated a call to arms, I guess it is not surprising they get a clean miss on the central thesis. YOU brought it in here... But I guess WE are all wrong - for disagreeing? Pffft... |
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A Call to Arms from Richard VanGrunsven
Gig 601XL Builder wrote in news:13taf5pnhte4u44
@news.supernews.com: Ok, what rights do I lose and why do I lose them? the origianl builder is the manufacturer. He can effect any maintenance or repeair on the airplane he likes...You buy it , you can't. That's not exactly right Bertie. You can work on the plane, anyone can, what you can't do is sign off the annual inspection. OK, my bad. Bertie |
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