Hercules Engines

Peter J Ross wrote in
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 at 03:28 GMT, Bertie the Bunyip wrote in
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in
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"John Mazor" wrote in message
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Phil Miller" wrote in message
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Hey Splappy,

Do you remember this series of pronouncements;

From: "Tarver Engineering"
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Do Hercules military aircraft use the same fuel as
civilian aircraft?
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:19:37 -0800
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Not really. On the T56 engine TIT = (T)urbine (I)nlet
(T)empreture.

Yes really, on every jet engine TIT is Total Inlet Temperature.

Yep.

Nope.

Once again, Tarver goes TITs up.

Once again the Bunyip has been mazored.

Nice troll though.

I'm an excellent troll, actually.

Bertie

Nah, you're crap! ;-)

But what's this rec.aviation.military froup? How can anything military
be merely recreational?

You must have been out of circualtion. Check out the war in Iraq thing..

Bertie

"JL Grasso" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:55:11 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
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The term "total" has to do with the use of multiple probes. Wiring
thermocoulpes in seris gives a Total temperature. Where the probes are
wired in parallel, a Totalizer is used downstream to add the thermocouple
outputs together.

Why do you post, Grasso, when it is clear that there is no subject WRT
aircraft that you know? Perhaps you would do better sticking to your
parts
catalogs and forget about pretending you understand anything about
aircraft.
Otherwise, you are likely to become a hazard to aviation.

You're the Wierd Al Yankovic of technology.

I am an engineer with a masters degree and you are a clueless loser, Jerry.

"Phil Miller" wrote in message
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Do you feel better now, Phil?

Having proven once again that you are a clueless git?

Rick wrote:

Tarver Engineering wrote:

Yep, the individually wired theromcouples are sent to a Totalizer, when they
are not wired in series. That is why the datum is a total.

Yeah, OK, so in Tarverworld the temperature of the gas
entering the turbine is around 18,000 degrees C.

Roughly the surface temperature of a Class B star. Considering titanium
boils at 3,278C, could this be ... magic metallurgy? g, d & r

|George
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George Ruch wrote:


Yeah, OK, so in Tarverworld the temperature of the gas
entering the turbine is around 18,000 degrees C.


Roughly the surface temperature of a Class B star. Considering titanium
boils at 3,278C, could this be ... magic metallurgy? g, d & r

It does seem a bit warm for a turbine but Tarver says the
thermocouples are wired in series so that they add up to the
"total inlet temperature." And Tarver couldn't be wrong
could he?

Rick

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Phil Miller" wrote in message
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Do you feel better now, Phil?

Having proven once again that you are a clueless git?

Lockheed has used some version/model of the Allison T-56 since "1956" on all
C-130 models. Yes it is called a Allison T-56 because it was a "56 model
Allison Turbine Engine". The same year the C-130 first flew at/from
Marietta, Ga.

There have been numerous improvements made to this basic engine design over
the years to incorporate new technology, increase power, etc., but the basic
design remains the same.

The "T 56-15 Model Allison Engine" referred to by Phil, means a Allison T-56
engine incorporating the 15 th update.

Check the model # of the Allison T-56 engine used on the C-130J. If you do a
little checking, you will find the T-56-15 engine was used on late C130 E &
G models.

Tarver you claim to be an "Electrical Engineer". Don't you know better than
to argue with a person quoting the manual on a given/specified item?
Apparently not.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:14:42 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
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"Phil Miller" wrote in message
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Do you feel better now, Phil?

Yeah, sure do Splappy. I've been too busy to read any of your crap since
about August last year. It's been nice to have a good old fashioned
belly laugh again, and it's also reassuring to know that there is some
consistency in the world.

Having proven once again that you are a clueless git?

Oh yeah, sure. Me, the official maintenance manual all other posters at
ram and ada and let's face it, just about everyone but you is wrong. See
what I mean about consistency? We are all lunes [sic]. You, on your own,
have the truth. Bwahahahaha...

Phil
--
Great Tarverisms #2

What is the best selling beer in Oz?

Budweiser.

Another illusion shattered.

John

alt.disasters.aviation
18 August 2002

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"JL Grasso" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:57:34 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in
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"Phil Miller" wrote in message
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Hey Splappy,

Do you remember this series of pronouncements;

From: "Tarver Engineering"
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Do Hercules military aircraft use the same fuel as
civilian aircraft?
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:19:37 -0800
snip
wrote in message
Not really. On the T56 engine TIT = (T)urbine (I)nlet
(T)empreture.

Yes really, on every jet engine TIT is Total Inlet Temperature.

Yep.

Nope.

Yep, the individually wired theromcouples are sent to a Totalizer, when
they
are not wired in series. That is why the datum is a total.

One has to wonder if the trolls of ram will ever catch a clue.

The irony of it all.

Total Air Temperature (TAT)is the maximum temperature attainable by air
when brought to rest adiabatically.

Total Air Temperature is the total of several probes at the inlet of the
engine. (ie T1)

The word "Total", when used to
describe the type of temperature reading that a probe is reporting, has
nothing to do with totalizers or wiring connections.

The term "total" has to do with the use of multiple probes. Wiring
thermocoulpes in seris gives a Total temperature. Where the probes are
wired in parallel, a Totalizer is used downstream to add the thermocouple
outputs together.


Hey, Splaps. Next time you are ever near a DADC or it's diagram,
check out what they have at the other end of the tubing connected
to the fitting labeled *TOTAL*. Only ONE pitot tube!

Jimmy

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:57:36 GMT, "Ralph Nesbitt"
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Phil Miller" wrote in message
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Do you feel better now, Phil?

Having proven once again that you are a clueless git?

Lockheed has used some version/model of the Allison T-56 since "1956" on all
C-130 models. Yes it is called a Allison T-56 because it was a "56 model
Allison Turbine Engine". The same year the C-130 first flew at/from
Marietta, Ga.

There have been numerous improvements made to this basic engine design over
the years to incorporate new technology, increase power, etc., but the basic
design remains the same.

The "T 56-15 Model Allison Engine" referred to by Phil, means a Allison T-56
engine incorporating the 15 th update.

Check the model # of the Allison T-56 engine used on the C-130J. If you do a
little checking, you will find the T-56-15 engine was used on late C130 E &
G models.

Tarver you claim to be an "Electrical Engineer". Don't you know better than
to argue with a person quoting the manual on a given/specified item?
Apparently not.

But, Ralph. The manuals wrong. Splappy say so. Bwahahahaha!

Is there a problem with your email account? Sent you one today and it
bounced.

Phil
--
Great Tarverisms #1

The Air Speed Indicator (ASI) shows

You made that up, didn't you?

The IAS indicator says IAS, not ASI.

Why do you come here pretending to know something
when you don't even know the words?

John

From: Jim Yanik
Date: 1/16/2004 6:53 PM Central Standard Time
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"John R Weiss" wrote in
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"Phil Miller" wrote...

Yes really, on every jet engine TIT is Total Inlet Temperature.

Yep.

I ask because I came across an interesting paragraph in the T56-A-15
service manual yesterday. Went like this...

...measures the turbine inlet temperature by means of
thermocouples...Eighteen thermocouple assemblies are mounted in the
turbine inlet casing of each engine...One thermocouple of each
assembly is connected to the turbine inlet temperature indicating
system, and...one...is connected to the electronic datum control
system. The 18 indicating system thermocouples are connected in
parallel [!!] by the indicator turbine thermocouple harness assembly,

I'm surprised you ever doubted the truth on this one!


So, let's revise.

That's going a bit too far... Nobody can revise the Tarver
Chronicles! :-)


bimetallic thermocouples generate millivolt signals,and paralleling them
would not work.Standard practice is to series-connect them,and compare to a
reference junction.Do these assemblies include signal processing to convert
the mV signal to a digital form,which could then be sent on a parallel bus?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

On every aircraft I ever worked on thermocouples were in parallel if there were
two or more.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired