VOTE ...HTML or Plain Text???

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:54:22 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
.. .
For one, It makes it far easier to read for those who use text to
audio converters.

You need a smarter text to audio converter.

I don't have one. I'm just reporting what they tell me on the
Hallicrafters group.

Unless the newsgroup is rec.aviation.blind-pilots, I see no reason that the
preferred standard should be abandonded just for a small number of people
who may have special needs.

Ahhh...the preferred standard isn't standard. It varies from news
group to news group. There are those who rabidly support top posting,
bottom posting, and interspersed. OTOH there are those in any
particular news group who oppose the same standards.

As you move around it just varies with the group and who prefers what.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
Pete

John Clonts ) wrote:
:
: How DO you turn off HTML etc. in OE for reading? I looked for a while
: last night and couldn't find it...
:
http://www.expita.com/nomime.html
Configuring Mail Clients to Send Plain ASCII Text

"What is wrong with sending HTML or MIME messages?

There are now six main reasons for NOT doing this:

[snip]

4. Embedded HTML or MIME attachments are the number one method of
spreading virus, worm or Trojan programs.

For instance, the Forgotten worm was written in Visual Basic
Script and spread without any attachment. Instead, the worm code
was embedded into the HTML formatted message body.

The I Love You worm program exploited an ActiveX vulnerability and
was executed just by viewing or previewing the e-mail message
without opening any attachment.

Likewise, embedded code could exploit some MS Office vulnerability
as with Office ODBC Vulnerabilites and Specially Formed Script in
HTML Mail can Execute in Exchange 5.5

[snip]

Turning Off HTML or MIME

There are now a variety of HTML/MIME programs, including but not
limited to:

* Agent/Free Agent
* AOL 5.0 and earlier
* AOL 6.0
* AOL 7.0 REVISED
* AOL 8.0 NEW
* AOL 6.0, 7.0, 8.0 Alternate NEW
* CompuServe 2, 3 and 4
* CompuServe 2000
* Entourage 2001 (MacIntosh)
* Entourage X (MacIntosh)
* Eudora Light v3.0.5 and earlier
* Eudora Light v3.0.6
* Eudora Pro v4.0.2 and earlier
* Eudora Pro v4.2 and later
* Eudora v5.0
* Hotmail
* IncrediMail Xe
* Juno v5.0
* Lotus Notes R5
* Mac OS X Mail NEW
* MS Internet Explorer 4.0, 5.0, 5.50 and 6.0
* MSN Explorer 6.0
* MSN Explorer 7.0
* MS Exchange 4.0 and other MS problems
+ WINMAIL.DAT (TNEF) attachments UPDATED
+ Equal signs at end of lines
+ ISO 8859-1 or other character sets
* Mozilla 1.1
* Netscape Communicator 3.xx
* Netscape Communicator 4.0x - 4.4x
* Netscape Communicator 4.5, 4.6, 4.7
* Netscape Communicator 6.0 - 6.1
* Netscape Communicator 6.2
* Netscape Communicator 7.0 PR1, Final NEW
* Novell Groupwise UPDATED
* Outlook 2000 UPDATED
* Outlook 2002
* Outlook Express 4.0
* Outlook Express 5.0, 5.50, and 6.00
* Outlook 97 (without Service Release 1 SR1)
* Outlook 97 (with Service Release 1 SR1)
* Outlook 98 (Work group version)
* Outlook 98 (Internet version)
* Pegasus Mail 3.x
* Pegasus Mail 4.x
* Pine 4.x (Unix)
* Pine 4.x (Windows)
* Poco 2.xx
* TheBat! v1.18
* WebTV
* Yahoo Mail UPDATED..."

Just click on the link for your news reader; e.g.:

Outlook Express 5.0, 5.50, and 6.00

HTH,

--Jerry Leslie (my opinions are strictly my own)
Note: is invalid for email

" Outlook is a piece of software for giving remote access by
email to all the bugs in Internet Explorer !"

It sounds like you may be confusing top-posting with trimming. Everybody
should trim the quoted text to only the relevant sections (regardless of
top- or bottom-posting) and they should post their response below the
relevant sections (bottom-posting).

It's the Way of USENET...


Just like tailwheel training - I'm learning something new every day!
Thanks for the explanation... I think I follow now - post below the
relevant sections (bottom posting) and *definitely* please please trim
those loooong posts... I probably miss about 15% of the posts because
groups.google.com trims them at 35 lines (all of which are the
previous post).

Hmmm - USENET - there's something about it - that promotes
misunderstanding

On 31 Jul 2003 17:04:13 GMT, (Michael Houghton)
wrote:

Howdy!

In article ,
Roger Halstead wrote:
snip
snip
A so-called WYSIWYG HTML editor is propagating a lie. I can use my standards
compliant browser (one of several) and mess with the various assumptions
inherent in that lie.
snip
Using nbsp for formatting is dicey; even in a monospaced font, you do not
have assurance that thing will align as you intended. You certainly will
not have enough control over the browser to ensure that the typeface and size
being used is what you expected.

I have no argument with anything you said.

I was just commenting on that darn space character.

All my readers are set to text, if for no other reason than safety.


Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
yours,
Michael

"ArtP" wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:31:34 -0500, "John Clonts"
wrote:


How DO you turn off HTML etc. in OE for reading? I looked for a while
last
night and couldn't find it...

Tools, Options, Read, Read all messages in plain text.

At home I'm using Outlook Express 6.00, at work OE 5.00. Neither seems to
have this option. What version of Outlook Express are you using?

Thanks,
John

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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"John Clonts" wrote:

Hmm, thanks for the reply, but that option is not in my
Tools/Options/Read
properties dialog. Outlook Express 5.00. What version are you using?

Outlook Express below vs. 5.5 is very insecure.
Please go to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ and update your
software.


Thanks for the tip. Do you know what version(s) allow you to disable HTML
etc for reading messages?

John Clonts
Temple, Texas

On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:01:45 -0500, John Clonts wrote:

Outlook Express below vs. 5.5 is very insecure.
Please go to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ and update your
software.


Thanks for the tip.

BTW: just yesterday a new security update for M$-OS was released.

Do you know what version(s) allow you to disable HTML
etc for reading messages?

AFAIK: all of them.

John Clonts
Temple, Texas

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(noah) wrote in message . com...

I probably miss about 15% of the posts because
groups.google.com trims them at 35 lines (all of which are the
previous post).

I've always considered that a feature. I figure anyone who doesn't
know enough to trim his quotes probably doesn't have anything
of value to add to the discussion. It's like an intelligent kill-file.

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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"ArtP" wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:31:34 -0500, "John Clonts"
wrote:


How DO you turn off HTML etc. in OE for reading? I looked for a while
last
night and couldn't find it...

Tools, Options, Read, Read all messages in plain text.

At home I'm using Outlook Express 6.00, at work OE 5.00. Neither seems to
have this option. What version of Outlook Express are you using?
It should be there. Certainly is on 6, and I'm sure it was there on 5.
'Tools' pull down, 'option', then as he says select 'read'. Then there is a
tick box under 'reading messages', for 'read all messages in plain text'.

Best Wishes