Pop-up IFR from Clearance Delivery

Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up
IFR instead of Approach? So far I have found that they ask me to call
Approach when airborne, or file with FSS. Is there an operational
consideration that prevents CD from giving a pop-up?

I'm sure we'll hear from Steve on this, but right off the top of my head I
do not think that CD is a radar position...the person filling that role has
no airspace to control.

Bob Gardner

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up
IFR instead of Approach? So far I have found that they ask me to call
Approach when airborne, or file with FSS. Is there an operational
consideration that prevents CD from giving a pop-up?

Bob Gardner wrote:


Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up
IFR instead of Approach?

No, CD has no airspace.


So far I have found that they ask me to call
Approach when airborne, or file with FSS. Is there an operational
consideration that prevents CD from giving a pop-up?


Yeah, he's not the approach controller. It would be the same as calling
ground control for your takeoff clearance.

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up
IFR instead of Approach? So far I have found that they ask me to call
Approach when airborne, or file with FSS. Is there an operational
consideration that prevents CD from giving a pop-up?


Sure, clearance delivery can give a pop-up IFR clearance. All he has to do
is coordinate with the approach control position having responsibility for
that airspace. But why would you call clearance delivery instead of
approach?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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Can Clearance Delivery (through an RCO on the ground) give a pop-up
IFR instead of Approach? So far I have found that they ask me to call
Approach when airborne, or file with FSS. Is there an operational
consideration that prevents CD from giving a pop-up?


Sure, clearance delivery can give a pop-up IFR clearance. All he has to
do
is coordinate with the approach control position having responsibility for
that airspace. But why would you call clearance delivery instead of
approach?



I should know better than to answer one of your "questions". But my answer
is: In order to take off into IMC.

At least that's what I've often done to fly currency approaches in IMC at
Temple, which has CD on the field remoted from Gray Approach Control.

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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I should know better than to answer one of your "questions". But
my answer is: In order to take off into IMC.


If you're on the ground you're not looking for a pop-up.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"John Clonts" wrote in message
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I should know better than to answer one of your "questions". But
my answer is: In order to take off into IMC.


If you're on the ground you're not looking for a pop-up.


As was the original poster, in the material you clipped.

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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As was the original poster, in the material you clipped.


Better read it again. He's airborne.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"John Clonts" wrote in message
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I should know better than to answer one of your "questions". But
my answer is: In order to take off into IMC.


If you're on the ground you're not looking for a pop-up.



Ok, I'd like to learn something from this...

When you call ATC to get a clearance...

....if you're in the air and you've filed through FSS, when you call ATC, its
not a pop-up.
....if you're in the air but not already filed through FSS, it's considered a
"pop-up"
....if you're not in the air and not already filed through FSS, it's not
considered a "pop-up"? Is there a different name you call it?

I see that "pop-up" is not in the PC/G. I assume that it's also not defined
in 7110. That being the case we're talking about an informal term anyway.
I'm just curious (and surprised) that a call from the ramp to CD for an IFR
clearance (not already on file) is NOT considered by controllers a "pop-up".

Thanks,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

"John Clonts" wrote:
I see that "pop-up" is not in the PC/G. I assume that it's also not defined
in 7110. That being the case we're talking about an informal term anyway.
I'm just curious (and surprised) that a call from the ramp to CD for an IFR
clearance (not already on file) is NOT considered by controllers a "pop-up".

If you're wondering how there can be a ****ing contest over the
definition of an informal term, you obviously havin't been hanging
around these newsgroups too long :-)